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What do you mean by many jobs. Outside of standing outside of home depot I don't know many jobs that don't require a permanent address and a phone number and an

What do you mean by many jobs. Outside of standing outside of home depot I don't know many jobs that don't require a permanent address and a phone number and an email. Entry level employment is like 99% massive corporations that make no allowances for the realities of hard lives.

blobbers 8y ago
It sounds like he has a phone number and an email. He could get a mailbox at a fedex as a permanent address. This individual sounds more stubborn than your average person but also that he's had a tough life. Hope the world works out for him.
ryanwaggoner 8y ago
Entry level employment is like 99% massive corporations This seems unlikely, given that the majority of jobs in the US are provided by small businesses.
- loco5niner 8y ago
  simile often involves hyperbole.
  - acheron 8y ago
    Turning “less than 50%” into “99%” is not hyperbole, it’s being incorrect.
    - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
      It’s also not even simile, since the “like” here signals lazy approximation, not comparison.
      - loco5niner 8y ago
        Good point. It was an incorrect and lazy use of the word simile. It was an offhand remark that I thought felt right. I do stand by the use of 'hyperbole' though...
  - loco5niner 8y ago
    correction: exaggeration often involves hyperbole.
eric_b 8y ago
You sound pretty out of touch. In Iowa there is an enormous agriculture industry - an industry not known for asking a lot of personal questions about origin or current status. If you can show up and do the work (and maybe pass a drug test), you're hired. And often paid cash. Outside of agriculture, there are the usual suspects. Bars, restaurants, cleaning jobs, roofing, painting, other forms of low skill construction, landscaping/yard work, and with the unemployment rate so low, other jobs are becoming available as well. Many of these jobs have someone who drives, and a passenger or two to help with the work when they arrive. I know several folks who do not have licenses due to DUIs, and they are gainfully employed without owning a car, in places where cars are almost a necessity. I never said it would be easy - but it certainly is doable.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  I was homeless for a while and I can confirm, if you want a job, you will get one. Period. Employers are permanently desperate for good help. I know felons with difficult histories that find work, if they can then anyone can.
- komali2 8y ago
  The implication is that the majority of homeless are just lazy, yea? Just pick apples! I've been exactly there. You're not making minimum wage when you show up to the farm to pick apricots all day. Bars - need a bartender license. Yes, you do, nobody is risking it in 2018. Restaurants, sure, but again, you're not making minimum wage, and if you whiff of hobo you're not working front of house and getting tips. Cleaning jobs are usually cornered by some immigrant class . If you're an immigrant and have friends/family with the hookup or maybe can speak their language, congrats, you're in (not making minimum wage). If not, move on. Roofing - you need to bring your own tools. Speaking from experience. Also, this isn't just a "show up and do it job," the shysters that manage to sell shit crews to homeowners never last long, so you'll have to get on with a crew that know what they're doing, and they're not going to want to bring someone on that wants to just do it long enough to "get their feet under them" and then bail. Decent pay, sure, but it's a "career." Painting - this means standing outside of home depot, just like OP said. Not minimum wage. Other forms of low skill construction - like what? It's not "low skill," the immigrants you see doing it get trained up by their cousins on the job, and once again, it's bring your own tools. Landscaping/yard work - market cornered by immigrants and highschoolers. Nobody wants a random hobo mowing their lawn. Maybe you can get on with an immigrant crew. Non-minimum wage. >unemployment rate so low Yea, because people are being paid like it's still 1991 (the 2009 raise was putting a finger into a ten meter diameter hole in a dam). This guy didn't have a family to support him. That's how the immigrants do it, in case anybody is wondering - they stay with families, get jobs due to families, and afford life here because they're all supporting eachother. Random hobo programmer dude is going to have a MUCH harder time scrabbling out of the hole. Yea, you can scrabble a life, but you're not building a ladder out of the hole for yourself. I'd argue, if you can program, the 3.75/hr you'd make for 3 months is meaningless if you can instead spend that 3 months homeless but then pull a programming job for even a month.

blobbers 8y ago

It sounds like he has a phone number and an email. He could get a mailbox at a fedex as a permanent address. This individual sounds more stubborn than your average person but also that he's had a tough life. Hope the world works out for him.

ryanwaggoner 8y ago

Entry level employment is like 99% massive corporations This seems unlikely, given that the majority of jobs in the US are provided by small businesses.

loco5niner 8y ago
simile often involves hyperbole.
- acheron 8y ago
  Turning “less than 50%” into “99%” is not hyperbole, it’s being incorrect.
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    It’s also not even simile, since the “like” here signals lazy approximation, not comparison.
    - loco5niner 8y ago
      Good point. It was an incorrect and lazy use of the word simile. It was an offhand remark that I thought felt right. I do stand by the use of 'hyperbole' though...
- loco5niner 8y ago
  correction: exaggeration often involves hyperbole.

eric_b 8y ago

You sound pretty out of touch. In Iowa there is an enormous agriculture industry - an industry not known for asking a lot of personal questions about origin or current status. If you can show up and do the work (and maybe pass a drug test), you're hired. And often paid cash. Outside of agriculture, there are the usual suspects. Bars, restaurants, cleaning jobs, roofing, painting, other forms of low skill construction, landscaping/yard work, and with the unemployment rate so low, other jobs are becoming available as well. Many of these jobs have someone who drives, and a passenger or two to help with the work when they arrive. I know several folks who do not have licenses due to DUIs, and they are gainfully employed without owning a car, in places where cars are almost a necessity. I never said it would be easy - but it certainly is doable.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
I was homeless for a while and I can confirm, if you want a job, you will get one. Period. Employers are permanently desperate for good help. I know felons with difficult histories that find work, if they can then anyone can.
komali2 8y ago
The implication is that the majority of homeless are just lazy, yea? Just pick apples! I've been exactly there. You're not making minimum wage when you show up to the farm to pick apricots all day. Bars - need a bartender license. Yes, you do, nobody is risking it in 2018. Restaurants, sure, but again, you're not making minimum wage, and if you whiff of hobo you're not working front of house and getting tips. Cleaning jobs are usually cornered by some immigrant class . If you're an immigrant and have friends/family with the hookup or maybe can speak their language, congrats, you're in (not making minimum wage). If not, move on. Roofing - you need to bring your own tools. Speaking from experience. Also, this isn't just a "show up and do it job," the shysters that manage to sell shit crews to homeowners never last long, so you'll have to get on with a crew that know what they're doing, and they're not going to want to bring someone on that wants to just do it long enough to "get their feet under them" and then bail. Decent pay, sure, but it's a "career." Painting - this means standing outside of home depot, just like OP said. Not minimum wage. Other forms of low skill construction - like what? It's not "low skill," the immigrants you see doing it get trained up by their cousins on the job, and once again, it's bring your own tools. Landscaping/yard work - market cornered by immigrants and highschoolers. Nobody wants a random hobo mowing their lawn. Maybe you can get on with an immigrant crew. Non-minimum wage. >unemployment rate so low Yea, because people are being paid like it's still 1991 (the 2009 raise was putting a finger into a ten meter diameter hole in a dam). This guy didn't have a family to support him. That's how the immigrants do it, in case anybody is wondering - they stay with families, get jobs due to families, and afford life here because they're all supporting eachother. Random hobo programmer dude is going to have a MUCH harder time scrabbling out of the hole. Yea, you can scrabble a life, but you're not building a ladder out of the hole for yourself. I'd argue, if you can program, the 3.75/hr you'd make for 3 months is meaningless if you can instead spend that 3 months homeless but then pull a programming job for even a month.