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Weird to write this article without citing any actual numbers. Here, let's help with that: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-c
by trowawee 8y ago
Weird to write this article without citing any actual numbers. Here, let's help with that: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetown https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/po....
Some key takeaways:
- There just aren't many instances where people are actually being uninvited or censored on an absolute scale.
- It's actually spread across the ideological spectrum, not solely limited to conservative speakers.
- A tiny handful of conservative speakers are responsible for a significant number of these events, and in fact it appears that to some degree the point of inviting them is trolling, intended to draw protest and press attention, rather than a genuine attempt to present.
Personally, I think major news organizations offering their imprimatur to self-proclaimed fascists who advocate for limiting or destroying democratic governance might be more harmful to democracy than colleges refusing to host talks by people who traffic in trolling and bigotry. But that's just me.
I also think it's useful to consider Sarte's quote about the utility of "debating" anti-Semites:
> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
and how that same pattern plays out frequently in the high-profile interviews and debates with people like Bannon and Spencer.
- 2trill2spill 8y agoIt's hard to take your source seriously when they say in reference to conservative speakers on campus "In other words, they’re trolling." Apparently the free speech project being cited by the source you posted is quite biased on the subject.
- skrowl 8y agoAll you had to do is see that it was on vox.com to know it's biased. vox.com is pretty well known to be very left-leaning.
- qubax 8y ago> colleges refusing to host talks by people who traffic in trolling and bigotry. But that's just me. It's not just you. There are plenty of fascist minded extreme leftists who are working hard to censor everything they don't like. Luckily, most americans can see through that. It's pathetic to label everything you disagree with as "trolling and bigotry". And it's fascistic to try to silence them. I find it so ironic that the "anti-fascists" are the real fascists in today's america. If these conservatives are so laughable, let them speak so that we can all laugh at them. But I guess free speech and intellectual honesty is a bit too much to ask nowadays.
- quotemstr 8y agoCiting vox of all sources in this matter may not be the most persuasive choice. That publication has an open and blatant partisan bias.
- trowawee 8y agoDo you have any counter argument to the actual article? It cites a study of events that could be described as censorious and evaluates the political stance of the people being censored. Can you produce evidence showing that this is untrue?
- subjectsigma 8y agohttps://heterodoxacademy.org/vox-consistent-errors-explained/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/vox-consistent-errors-explained... https://heterodoxacademy.org/vox-consistent-errors-campus-speech-beauchamp/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/vox-consistent-errors-campus-sp...