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I work for a large publisher. Google isn't putting a literal knife to anyones throat, but they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your

I work for a large publisher. Google isn't putting a literal knife to anyones throat, but they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your usage of AMP. That qualifies as `force` in my book.

skybrian 8y ago
But this is the opposite of force.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  A threat can be a way to force. Saying a threat is the opposite of forcing is definitely wrong.
  - skybrian 8y ago
    The original post talked about "a literal knife to anyones throat" which means physical force. But what is supposed threat about? We are talking about whether or not Google links to a website, which has nothing to do with that. Linking is purely voluntary and there is not even a contract. Of course, at scale, financial incentives are still very important for businesses, but let's be clear about this. There are no goons or threat of goons involved.
    - reitanqild 8y ago
      > The original post talked about "a literal knife to anyones throat" which means physical force. Here is exactly what you replied to: > Google isn't putting a literal knife to anyones throat, but they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your usage of AMP. 1. Notice the use of isn't. I'm not a native English speaker but it still seems clear that you are reading something that isn't written. 2. The threat of being shunned is still a threat. Also there is something about abusive relationships where the abuser will say: I didn't force anyone, but everyone knows there would have been "consequences" if the victim didn't do what they were told.
      - skybrian 8y ago
        You're implying physical force by comparing to an abuser situation where an implicit threat of physical force is involved. If you don't want to imply violence, don't use a violent metaphor.
joegahona 8y ago
> they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your usage of AMP. Do you have an example of someone who works for Google saying this, or Google documentation that says this? Also, it doesn't seem that most publishers are seeing the search traffic that they're imagining AMP will give them: http://blog.chartbeat.com/2018/08/23/research-study-1-3-publishers-see-clear-traffic-boost-amp/ http://blog.chartbeat.com/2018/08/23/research-study-1-3-publ...

skybrian 8y ago

But this is the opposite of force.

reitanqild 8y ago
A threat can be a way to force. Saying a threat is the opposite of forcing is definitely wrong.
- skybrian 8y ago
  The original post talked about "a literal knife to anyones throat" which means physical force. But what is supposed threat about? We are talking about whether or not Google links to a website, which has nothing to do with that. Linking is purely voluntary and there is not even a contract. Of course, at scale, financial incentives are still very important for businesses, but let's be clear about this. There are no goons or threat of goons involved.
  - reitanqild 8y ago
    > The original post talked about "a literal knife to anyones throat" which means physical force. Here is exactly what you replied to: > Google isn't putting a literal knife to anyones throat, but they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your usage of AMP. 1. Notice the use of isn't. I'm not a native English speaker but it still seems clear that you are reading something that isn't written. 2. The threat of being shunned is still a threat. Also there is something about abusive relationships where the abuser will say: I didn't force anyone, but everyone knows there would have been "consequences" if the victim didn't do what they were told.
    - skybrian 8y ago
      You're implying physical force by comparing to an abuser situation where an implicit threat of physical force is involved. If you don't want to imply violence, don't use a violent metaphor.

joegahona 8y ago

> they are not so subtly suggesting that search traffic is tied to your usage of AMP. Do you have an example of someone who works for Google saying this, or Google documentation that says this? Also, it doesn't seem that most publishers are seeing the search traffic that they're imagining AMP will give them: http://blog.chartbeat.com/2018/08/23/research-study-1-3-publishers-see-clear-traffic-boost-amp/ http://blog.chartbeat.com/2018/08/23/research-study-1-3-publ...