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In Germany you can expect to get fired within week as soon as HR learns about you working too much overtime. The issue is that they have criminal liability if t

by namibj 8y ago

In Germany you can expect to get fired within week as soon as HR learns about you working too much overtime. The issue is that they have criminal liability if they endanger your health (it might be limited to cases where it's done repeatedly/egregiously, but no employer wants to be on the bench having to pray that the judge sees it as not his fault that his subordinate happened to work too long despite him knowing about it.

scarface74 8y ago
I would hate that as an employee. I’ve been getting jobs that I was barely qualified for with the expectation that I would have to work extra hours to both meet deadlines and learn the tech stack. So if I spend 12 hours doing 8 hours worth of productive work and the other 4 hours reading, watching tutorial videos in between, should the employer be punished?
- disiplus 8y ago
  well, the max hours you can work is regulated by law. and if you think about it, if a company hires a junior developer, he is greeting paid as a junior and the company is also spending hours on his training ans so on. if the company is switching stacks or wants you to do something completely new to the company the time spend learning is working, nobody is expected to learn that on its own time.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Where are these mythical companies that train developers? Ifthe company switches technology stacks that’s one thing, but if a company is willing to give you a shot even though you don’t know the technology stack, why wouldn’t I be expected to learn on my own time? They could have just as easily hired someone who already knows the stack. Yes the company benefits, but so do I. In a year or two either they are going to payment more based on my knowledge (not likely) or I have the skill set to jump ship and make more somewhere else.
    - namibj 8y ago
      Yes, there are. In Germany it's called Ausbildung. Many companies do have the management needed for subsequent technology training though.

by namibj 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago

I would hate that as an employee. I’ve been getting jobs that I was barely qualified for with the expectation that I would have to work extra hours to both meet deadlines and learn the tech stack. So if I spend 12 hours doing 8 hours worth of productive work and the other 4 hours reading, watching tutorial videos in between, should the employer be punished?

disiplus 8y ago
well, the max hours you can work is regulated by law. and if you think about it, if a company hires a junior developer, he is greeting paid as a junior and the company is also spending hours on his training ans so on. if the company is switching stacks or wants you to do something completely new to the company the time spend learning is working, nobody is expected to learn that on its own time.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Where are these mythical companies that train developers? Ifthe company switches technology stacks that’s one thing, but if a company is willing to give you a shot even though you don’t know the technology stack, why wouldn’t I be expected to learn on my own time? They could have just as easily hired someone who already knows the stack. Yes the company benefits, but so do I. In a year or two either they are going to payment more based on my knowledge (not likely) or I have the skill set to jump ship and make more somewhere else.
  - namibj 8y ago
    Yes, there are. In Germany it's called Ausbildung. Many companies do have the management needed for subsequent technology training though.