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What is YOUR opinion? If you were spending tens of thousands of dollars trying to recruit people and someone said, "Ha! Just kidding, here's my real resume." Wh

What is YOUR opinion? If you were spending tens of thousands of dollars trying to recruit people and someone said, "Ha! Just kidding, here's my real resume." What would you do?

peterburkimsher 8y ago
If the role is related to AI, and the interviewer wants to know about previous experience, does "Making a bot smart enough to fool your HR department" count as a demonstration of skills? The HR department is already using AI to filter candidates. It's called Applicant Tracking Systems. It's a thing [1] [2]. If the companies are using bots against the candidates, why should candidates not use bots against the companies? [1] https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/top-use-cases-ai-human-resources/ https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/top-use-cases-ai-human-res... [2] https://medium.com/@deadlocked_d/to-all-recruiters-use-machine-learning-to-hire-better-candidates-c5aad22f3319 https://medium.com/@deadlocked_d/to-all-recruiters-use-machi...
- chooseaname 8y ago
  It isn't a matter of using a bot. It's what the end result looks like. You can use a bot to determine which of your real skills would likely get your resume looked at. You CANNOT use a bot to build a fake resume.
  - davelnewton 8y ago
    Well... not so sure about that; I think I could probably spin out a reasonable resume bot. I gave the idea some thought; I think the hardest part would be a reasonable-looking work history (which of course would crumble almost immediately), but I suspect it's easier than I think it is. I may have to take a run at it just for giggles.
- davelnewton 8y ago
  Because your bot is a liar. Manipulating your resume to be more appealing is valid, because it's not a liar. Shifting keywords, re-ordering sections, highlighting specific experience: totally, 100% valid, and if you can automate that, a potential product (it's similar to stuff I banged on years and years ago). It's what people should be doing to their resume anyway. Companies don't use AI against candidates, they use AI to try to weed through the tens, hundreds, or thousands of resumes they have to shuffle through to find maybe one or two standouts. You wouldn't be using AI against a company, you'd be using it because (in your view) it's in your, and the company's, best interests to hire you. Guess what: lying and bullshitting to get a foot in the door does not demonstrate that, and only very rarely will it be positively received by the people you lied to. If you're waiting for a "Ya' gotta lotta moxie, kid, yeeeaaaarrrrhh" you'll probably be waiting a long time.

What is YOUR opinion? If you were spending tens of thousands of dollars trying to recruit people and someone said, "Ha! Just kidding, here's my real resume." What would you do?

peterburkimsher 8y ago

If the role is related to AI, and the interviewer wants to know about previous experience, does "Making a bot smart enough to fool your HR department" count as a demonstration of skills? The HR department is already using AI to filter candidates. It's called Applicant Tracking Systems. It's a thing [1] [2]. If the companies are using bots against the candidates, why should candidates not use bots against the companies? [1] https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/top-use-cases-ai-human-resources/ https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/top-use-cases-ai-human-res... [2] https://medium.com/@deadlocked_d/to-all-recruiters-use-machine-learning-to-hire-better-candidates-c5aad22f3319 https://medium.com/@deadlocked_d/to-all-recruiters-use-machi...

chooseaname 8y ago
It isn't a matter of using a bot. It's what the end result looks like. You can use a bot to determine which of your real skills would likely get your resume looked at. You CANNOT use a bot to build a fake resume.
- davelnewton 8y ago
  Well... not so sure about that; I think I could probably spin out a reasonable resume bot. I gave the idea some thought; I think the hardest part would be a reasonable-looking work history (which of course would crumble almost immediately), but I suspect it's easier than I think it is. I may have to take a run at it just for giggles.
davelnewton 8y ago
Because your bot is a liar. Manipulating your resume to be more appealing is valid, because it's not a liar. Shifting keywords, re-ordering sections, highlighting specific experience: totally, 100% valid, and if you can automate that, a potential product (it's similar to stuff I banged on years and years ago). It's what people should be doing to their resume anyway. Companies don't use AI against candidates, they use AI to try to weed through the tens, hundreds, or thousands of resumes they have to shuffle through to find maybe one or two standouts. You wouldn't be using AI against a company, you'd be using it because (in your view) it's in your, and the company's, best interests to hire you. Guess what: lying and bullshitting to get a foot in the door does not demonstrate that, and only very rarely will it be positively received by the people you lied to. If you're waiting for a "Ya' gotta lotta moxie, kid, yeeeaaaarrrrhh" you'll probably be waiting a long time.