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I agree. Yet people keep voting for socialism.

Frondo 8y ago
The contemporary American conservative's use of the word "socialism" seems so meaning-free, it's a stand-in for "things I don't like" or "whatever libtards want". Can you elaborate on what socialism you think people are voting for? Cause right now we don't have free education--we have massive loans we award to children that can never be disposed of. We don't have free health care--we have the worst of both possible systems, with only now a real national discussion about bringing our horrible health care in line with literally the rest of the western world. Where's this socialism people keep voting for, and when's it going to start reaching us and affecting our lives in a meaningful way???
- spacehome 8y ago
  Maternity leave policies are a transfer of wealth from people who have fewer children to people who have more children.
  - spacehome 8y ago
    They’re also a transfer of wealth from shareholders to employees (who have kids).
    - Frondo 8y ago
      Awesome. Transfer that wealth. Shareholders add nothing of value to any economic system. Transfer it all to the people who are making a contribution. But you said "people are voting for socialism" (in a discussion about some group unionizing) and that's just a bullshit claim. This country is so far from socialist policies, and no one's running on a socialist platform, it's just empty words to say anyone's voting for socialism.
grasshopperpurp 8y ago
>Employers are not and should not be required to pay you for work you are not doing. If maternity leave is important to an employee, it's important to negotiate it when arranging employment, or failing that, negotiate a high enough salary that you can afford to save for a couple months without income. As if people have any negotiating power without unions, as if there is not a well-documented power imbalance in this country. Your attitude toward the common woman/man = why we can't have nice things. You and people like you labeling any thing that gives people a decent chance socialism = why we can't have nice things. Would you consider Denmark a socialist country? Or maybe you were just being glib?

The contemporary American conservative's use of the word "socialism" seems so meaning-free, it's a stand-in for "things I don't like" or "whatever libtards want". Can you elaborate on what socialism you think people are voting for? Cause right now we don't have free education--we have massive loans we award to children that can never be disposed of. We don't have free health care--we have the worst of both possible systems, with only now a real national discussion about bringing our horrible health care in line with literally the rest of the western world. Where's this socialism people keep voting for, and when's it going to start reaching us and affecting our lives in a meaningful way???

spacehome 8y ago
Maternity leave policies are a transfer of wealth from people who have fewer children to people who have more children.
- spacehome 8y ago
  They’re also a transfer of wealth from shareholders to employees (who have kids).
  - Frondo 8y ago
    Awesome. Transfer that wealth. Shareholders add nothing of value to any economic system. Transfer it all to the people who are making a contribution. But you said "people are voting for socialism" (in a discussion about some group unionizing) and that's just a bullshit claim. This country is so far from socialist policies, and no one's running on a socialist platform, it's just empty words to say anyone's voting for socialism.

grasshopperpurp 8y ago

>Employers are not and should not be required to pay you for work you are not doing. If maternity leave is important to an employee, it's important to negotiate it when arranging employment, or failing that, negotiate a high enough salary that you can afford to save for a couple months without income. As if people have any negotiating power without unions, as if there is not a well-documented power imbalance in this country. Your attitude toward the common woman/man = why we can't have nice things. You and people like you labeling any thing that gives people a decent chance socialism = why we can't have nice things. Would you consider Denmark a socialist country? Or maybe you were just being glib?