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Whether or not you agree with the copyright reforms, it is not helpful to present these opinions (e.g. 'will negatively affect...') as fact. You may as well sta

Whether or not you agree with the copyright reforms, it is not helpful to present these opinions (e.g. 'will negatively affect...') as fact. You may as well stand outside the legislative building with a placard. To my mind, it's impossible to take part in the debate until you've realised that your position is a point of view; that other have a different point of view; and that compromise is going to be necessary.

ManlyBread 8y ago
It's quite hard to talk about a compromise when there's zero benefit in accepting the new law to begin with. Remember how effective the SOPA/ACTA protests were, the only reason these succeded was because no one was interested in a compromise.
- GekkePrutser 8y ago
  They weren't effective. The same has already been implemented through a loophole with Canada (CETA) so US companies can already force their lower standards on us through their Canadian subsidiaries. Simple distraction and switch and playing into the mindset that Canada has somehow ties with Europe and is therefore 'good'. It's amazing how they get away with these things.
SpEd3Y 8y ago
How is it helpful for you to present your opinion (about their opinions as facts not being helpful) as a fact? :)
GavinMcG 8y ago
How fitting that your username is a sort of false "equivalence".
seucs 8y ago
I don't agree with these copyright reforms, but I do agree with you. I remember thinking when the swedish pirate party got started in 2006 that it was already late to talk about these issues. Because there had already been so much written about it in the '90s and early '00. Now more than 10 years later neither the tech companies nor "the community" have dealt with any of it. Instead they have been chasing opportunities, not willing to do anything that might jeopardize their own position. Eventually reality just catches up with you and whoever can present a solution will get their chance.
egeozcan 8y ago
It suits that the comment text became gray, as this is a textbook "Argument to moderation" fallacy (aka "Fallacy of gray").
eikenberry 8y ago
> and that compromise is going to be necessary. If only one side is compromising, it is not a compromise.

ManlyBread 8y ago

It's quite hard to talk about a compromise when there's zero benefit in accepting the new law to begin with. Remember how effective the SOPA/ACTA protests were, the only reason these succeded was because no one was interested in a compromise.

GekkePrutser 8y ago
They weren't effective. The same has already been implemented through a loophole with Canada (CETA) so US companies can already force their lower standards on us through their Canadian subsidiaries. Simple distraction and switch and playing into the mindset that Canada has somehow ties with Europe and is therefore 'good'. It's amazing how they get away with these things.

SpEd3Y 8y ago

How is it helpful for you to present your opinion (about their opinions as facts not being helpful) as a fact? :)

GavinMcG 8y ago

How fitting that your username is a sort of false "equivalence".

seucs 8y ago

I don't agree with these copyright reforms, but I do agree with you. I remember thinking when the swedish pirate party got started in 2006 that it was already late to talk about these issues. Because there had already been so much written about it in the '90s and early '00. Now more than 10 years later neither the tech companies nor "the community" have dealt with any of it. Instead they have been chasing opportunities, not willing to do anything that might jeopardize their own position. Eventually reality just catches up with you and whoever can present a solution will get their chance.

egeozcan 8y ago

It suits that the comment text became gray, as this is a textbook "Argument to moderation" fallacy (aka "Fallacy of gray").

eikenberry 8y ago

> and that compromise is going to be necessary. If only one side is compromising, it is not a compromise.