I largely agree with her. An individual animal doesn't matter to me (not from a "hey, lets go kill things and make them suffer" perspective, but "hey, life has

I largely agree with her. An individual animal doesn't matter to me (not from a "hey, lets go kill things and make them suffer" perspective, but "hey, life has a bunch of bad bits, things are gonna die and suffer, thats just life" see that lion thing I posted a bit further down). You can absolutely be an environmentalist and not think that the lives of individual animals matters. I'm reminded of nature documentaries that will sit and watch an animal starve, because that's the natural thing and they are not there the interfere. I don't think this viewpoint is horrific. "maybe because coming from an environmentalist, who are supposed to be the good guys" I think you should look at why you think these people are the "good guys". By the sounds of it, sorry if i'm wrong, but your thoughts on environmentalism comes from a place of empathy. You look at individual animals and empathise with there suffering. And by the sounds of it, you expect everyone else who considers themselves an environmentalist (which I also would say I was), to also come from this place of empathy. However not everyone does, and this isn't horrific, people just have different priorities. I don't know about what else she said, but "animals only have value as things exploitable by humans" doesn't necessarily follow from: 'species matter individual animals don't'. Personally I think animals have a value completely apart from people and are even more valuable when they have no interaction with humans at all.