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It's about the principle. www is a valid subdomain. Browsers are supposed to be as unopinionated as possible since they are browsers, not mediators, and their

It's about the principle. www is a valid subdomain. Browsers are supposed to be as unopinionated as possible since they are browsers, not mediators, and their job is to implement the standards of the web.

cjhopman 8y ago
I didn't realize that the standards of the web specified anything about how an address bar should be displayed (or, for that matter, that it specified anything about an address bar even existing).
- type0 8y ago
  > This document describes the syntax and semantics for a compact string representation for a resource available via the Internet. These strings are called "Uniform Resource Locators" (URLs). https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
lkbm 8y ago
IE did this years ago too, as I recall. I don't know if Edge still does. Safari also won't show "www" until you click on the location bar, but it'll show once you click.
- toast0 8y ago
  Safari doesn't show you the url at all until you click either; so the URL bar is just a domain indicator -- in that case, it seems less objectionable that it doesn't show the FQDN, but instead something different -- copying the url from a screenshot was bound for disappointment anyway.
floatingatoll 8y ago
Your opinion that browsers should be unopinionated is not an opinion shared by browsers.
- rhencke 8y ago
  To give some examples of this: * Chrome encourages you to sign in to the browser with a Google account. * Firefox's new tab page shows stories and articles from Pocket. * The news feed shown by default in Edge provides stories from MSN.
dbbk 8y ago
It's still there though. You just have to click on the address bar and it appears (along with the scheme). This is not an issue.
eli 8y ago
You want your browser to show unlimited popup windows too?
- aarongray 8y ago
  No, but I want my browser to notify me that its blocking popups rather than just hiding them from me entirely and assuming I never wanted to see them anyway.
- theprotocol 8y ago
  This is a fair point. A possible counterpoint is that one can draw a line at malware. A fairly strong argument can be made that controlling popups is an exceptional security measure that is the only way, or the most effective way, to control the spread of objectively dangerous software. It is also a matter of UI - popups could appear faster than a human could control them, so it makes sense to make popups opt-in (which they are). No similar argument can be made about disabling "www." It is purely an opinionated decision amounting to "you don't need www" - assuming it's not a bug, of course.
Jyaif 8y ago
> their job is to implement the standards of the web. Is there a standard saying how the URL should be displayed in the toolbar?
- JBiserkov 8y ago
  Verbatim 1.0

cjhopman 8y ago

I didn't realize that the standards of the web specified anything about how an address bar should be displayed (or, for that matter, that it specified anything about an address bar even existing).

type0 8y ago
> This document describes the syntax and semantics for a compact string representation for a resource available via the Internet. These strings are called "Uniform Resource Locators" (URLs). https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt

lkbm 8y ago

IE did this years ago too, as I recall. I don't know if Edge still does. Safari also won't show "www" until you click on the location bar, but it'll show once you click.

toast0 8y ago
Safari doesn't show you the url at all until you click either; so the URL bar is just a domain indicator -- in that case, it seems less objectionable that it doesn't show the FQDN, but instead something different -- copying the url from a screenshot was bound for disappointment anyway.

floatingatoll 8y ago

Your opinion that browsers should be unopinionated is not an opinion shared by browsers.

rhencke 8y ago
To give some examples of this: * Chrome encourages you to sign in to the browser with a Google account. * Firefox's new tab page shows stories and articles from Pocket. * The news feed shown by default in Edge provides stories from MSN.

dbbk 8y ago

It's still there though. You just have to click on the address bar and it appears (along with the scheme). This is not an issue.

eli 8y ago

You want your browser to show unlimited popup windows too?

aarongray 8y ago
No, but I want my browser to notify me that its blocking popups rather than just hiding them from me entirely and assuming I never wanted to see them anyway.
theprotocol 8y ago
This is a fair point. A possible counterpoint is that one can draw a line at malware. A fairly strong argument can be made that controlling popups is an exceptional security measure that is the only way, or the most effective way, to control the spread of objectively dangerous software. It is also a matter of UI - popups could appear faster than a human could control them, so it makes sense to make popups opt-in (which they are). No similar argument can be made about disabling "www." It is purely an opinionated decision amounting to "you don't need www" - assuming it's not a bug, of course.

Jyaif 8y ago

> their job is to implement the standards of the web. Is there a standard saying how the URL should be displayed in the toolbar?

JBiserkov 8y ago
Verbatim 1.0