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Folks looking for a practical place to start with Lisp should consider using the Emacs editor. I just recently went down this road myself. I am now a huge fan.
by lkrubner 16y ago
Folks looking for a practical place to start with Lisp should consider using the Emacs editor. I just recently went down this road myself. I am now a huge fan.
For about 6 months in 2006 I made Emacs my default editor. (Xemacs, actually). But I did not learn Lisp, at that time, and there are other IDE's out there that have a nicer GUI. So I started using simple text editors like Kate, and then sometimes NetBeans.
And yet, for years, I've been wanting to work with a fully scriptable editing environment. I often have the need to grab a large amount of text data, transform it in various way, and save the finished product. I kept thinking that at some point I would learn sed and awk, but I never got around to it. Usually, if I needed to make some quick changes to text, I'd write a one-off PHP script to do what I needed.
Then I got interested in Clojure, and through Clojure I got familiar with Lisp's syntax.
Then it occurred to me to go back to using Emacs. So now it is my main editor, again, my default programming environment. I use it for everything. And I've learned Emacs Lisp. Every single day, the combination of Emacs and Lisp helps me be more productive.
Way back in 1999, I started to learn PHP. One thing that made PHP easy to learn, back then, was that I did not need to compile it. I only needed to put it on a server running PHP, and that was most servers. It was an easy programming environment to step into.
Lisp is like that when you are working in Emacs. You can write a line of Lisp anywhere you like, then invoke it with a special key command. You can write quick one-off scripts to move text around inside a file. Or, if you like some code and want to reuse it, you can just save it as a function and put it in your .emacs file and then that function is available to you whenever you are running Emacs.
I have heard of Emacs greatness since at least 1999, and yet somehow, not till this year did I dive deep and learn both it and Lisp. I realize now, everything that people have said about Emacs over the years, it really is true - to have a programming environment where every element of the environment can be programmed and re-programmed using the language of the environment gives you an extremely powerful tool.
If anyone is looking for a simple place to get started with Lisp, I would say, simply, use Emacs. We all need to edit stuff, and so your work will provide you with a practical place to practice your Lisp, everyday.
Those of you who prefer some kind of GUI, look into Xemacs. It can be set up to respond to your mouse-clicks.
Also, if you'd like to learn about Emacs and Lisp, the book that Robert J Chassell wrote is a very good introduction:
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Programming-Emacs-Lisp/dp/1882114027/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287092649&sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Programming-Emacs-Lisp/dp...
- kqr2 16y agoAn Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp is also available for free from the author's website: http://www.rattlesnake.com/emacs-lisp-intro.html http://www.rattlesnake.com/emacs-lisp-intro.html
- muuh-gnu 16y ago> Those of you who prefer some kind of GUI, look into Xemacs. It can be set up to respond to your mouse-clicks. I don't want to nitpick here, but the tedious distinction between the "graphically challenged" GNU Emacs and the "some kind of GUI" godness of XEmacs is getting rather old. Precisely, it is around 20 years old, since the debate started somwhen at the beginning of the 90s. Much, much time has passed and much, much has changed since then in GNU/X emacs land. But otherwise, youre completely right. Emacs feels today what running a Lisp Machine must have been back in the day, and it's wonderful. Your complete environment is written in Lisp, you code, chat, mail, all at the same time in/with Lisp, and you can modify all of it at run-time, all the way down (Well, mostly). It is a pity that Emacs is stuck with Elisp for the foreseeable future, so although a "Lisp", it cant fully profit from all the available Common Lisp goodies, but for a beginner, it is all more than enough to start. And even if one day he or she might want to move on to Common Lisp, SLIME would be there waiting patiently.
- lispm 16y agoNot really. A Lisp Machine had a better Lisp, multi-tasking, a cool graphical user interface, the software was object-oriented and more. Emacs still has a relatively poor Lisp dialect, no object-orientation in most of its software, no multi-tasking, a relatively poor user interface and so on.
- naner 16y agoThose of you who prefer some kind of GUI, look into Xemacs. It can be set up to respond to your mouse-clicks. This is puzzling. GNU Emacs has mouse support.
- melling 16y agoEmacs will be even better when you can use Scheme instead of Elisp. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1663627/guile-and-emacs http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1663627/guile-and-emacs