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So who gets to decide which groups get protected and which are not protected? And doesn't that immediately demonstrate protected groups have more incidental pol

So who gets to decide which groups get protected and which are not protected? And doesn't that immediately demonstrate protected groups have more incidental political power than the groups who are not? It seems to me by definition the groups with the most political clout will be the first to be protected because they were able to get the legislation passed to protect their group!

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sp332 8y ago
We already have protected categories defined. You can take issue with the process but it's not a new thing. And no I don't think that when powerful interests have committed eugenics campaigns and taken the vote away from certain groups of people that those groups have more political power. As for how it will go in the future, it's of course possible that it will be abused and there will have to be accountability. But so far it's looking OK and that gives me some hope. It's not like women voted to give themselves the vote, or black people overpowered white people to get schools desegregated etc.
- gnarbarian 8y ago
  >powerful interests have committed eugenics campaigns and taken the vote away from certain groups of people yes they /had/ political power which is exactly why they could pass legislation to oppress those groups. Who do you think has more political power in the United States today, the Congressional Black Caucus, or Richard Spenser and the Alt-Right? note: This is not an endorsement of racist policies or an argument that the Alt-Right should have more political power, but an example showing that protected groups have more political power than racist groups, which is exactly why we have legislation to protect the protected groups!
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    "Who do you think has more political power in the United States today, the Congressional Black Caucus, or Richard Spenser and the Alt-Right?" Considering the White House is full of people who support Spencer and the alt-right, and this country still gets super riled up when black men peacefully and quietly ask the police to stop murdering them, I'm probably not going to go with the Congressional Black Caucus.
    - gnarbarian 8y ago
      >Considering the White House is full of people who support Spencer and the alt-right, [citation needed]
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        How about the actions of this administration? How about refusing to condemn the actions of the marchers in Charlottesville? How about separating parents from their children at the border? How about the Muslim Ban? The actions are directly in line with what the alt-right has been asking for.
        gnarbarian 8y ago
        That is a YUGE stretch.

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sp332 8y ago

We already have protected categories defined. You can take issue with the process but it's not a new thing. And no I don't think that when powerful interests have committed eugenics campaigns and taken the vote away from certain groups of people that those groups have more political power. As for how it will go in the future, it's of course possible that it will be abused and there will have to be accountability. But so far it's looking OK and that gives me some hope. It's not like women voted to give themselves the vote, or black people overpowered white people to get schools desegregated etc.

gnarbarian 8y ago
>powerful interests have committed eugenics campaigns and taken the vote away from certain groups of people yes they /had/ political power which is exactly why they could pass legislation to oppress those groups. Who do you think has more political power in the United States today, the Congressional Black Caucus, or Richard Spenser and the Alt-Right? note: This is not an endorsement of racist policies or an argument that the Alt-Right should have more political power, but an example showing that protected groups have more political power than racist groups, which is exactly why we have legislation to protect the protected groups!
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  "Who do you think has more political power in the United States today, the Congressional Black Caucus, or Richard Spenser and the Alt-Right?" Considering the White House is full of people who support Spencer and the alt-right, and this country still gets super riled up when black men peacefully and quietly ask the police to stop murdering them, I'm probably not going to go with the Congressional Black Caucus.
  - gnarbarian 8y ago
    >Considering the White House is full of people who support Spencer and the alt-right, [citation needed]
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      How about the actions of this administration? How about refusing to condemn the actions of the marchers in Charlottesville? How about separating parents from their children at the border? How about the Muslim Ban? The actions are directly in line with what the alt-right has been asking for.
      - gnarbarian 8y ago
        That is a YUGE stretch.