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I wonder how intellij will survive if vscode becomes a standard for pretty much every language. Which makes me wonder if kotlin will also survive if intellij g

by bsaul 8y ago

I wonder how intellij will survive if vscode becomes a standard for pretty much every language. Which makes me wonder if kotlin will also survive if intellij goes bankrupt.

mark_l_watson 8y ago
I have thought the same thing. I have been a customer for years but I might let my ‘everything licence’ lapse at the end of my current subscription. VSCode is amazing for mainstream languages as well as Haskell etc.
oweiler 8y ago
At least with regards to Java, IntelliJ is still miles ahead.
- h4l0 8y ago
  And maybe not the most popular opinion but I still prefer PyCharm over VSCode
- brandonwamboldt 8y ago
  Something to consider, VS Code being free means it will eat into IntelliJ's marketshare, even without all the features of IntelliJ. They'll be the people who need the advanced features who will continue buying it, but many people may not need the full suite, and will use VS Code to save money.
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    IntelliJ has a free version which is good enough in many cases: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_...
  - tincholio 8y ago
    The IntelliJ community edition is free as well, and has features galore. (I'm an Emacs guy through and through, but some Java stuff makes me break out IntelliJ)
- crazypyro 8y ago
  Yup, I use both VSCode (for JS) and Intellij (for Java). VSCode is no where close to having the functionality of Intellij Ultimate and I really don't see that gap closing much without some major new extensions being written.
Alir3z4 8y ago
I've used Intellij for the Java, Python, Ruby, PHP, JavaScript, TypeScript. I can say that in no way I found VSCode be able to to take on it, even the JavaScript support and they way they have integration with many JavaScript frameworks and other languages frameworks is something I cannot find in VSCode. Intellij IDEs are really fast, very well integrated and made to get me productive, I couldn't find that in VSCode. Worth noting, I still use VSCode for JavaScript & HTML & CSS development, but only when it's not heavy development, otherwise Intellij IDEs.
- RussianCow 8y ago
  > Intellij IDEs are really fast I would strongly dispute this. I love the JetBrains IDEs and have been using IntelliJ IDEA for many years, but performance in general is definitely not one of its strong suits (though it has improved significantly over the years). IntelliJ just feels very sluggish to me, and regularly lags and hangs on our (rather large) work codebase. Anything that causes the IDE to start indexing takes about a full minute before it is usable again. Then there's the occasional crash due to a bad plugin. And it definitely (at least for me) uses more battery on my MacBook than any other editor I've tried. Having said all that, I try VSCode and other editors every couple months, but I always find myself coming back to IntelliJ IDEA for the reasons you mentioned. Currently, it's just a superior and "smarter" IDE, though I expect Microsoft to narrow the gap over time.
  - Damarus 8y ago
    Are you sure you're not just running out of heap space? That problem appeared really quickly when we migrated our devs to IntelliJ, and slowed it down to a crawl. The default 750MB are just not enough for projects with 5000+ Classes.
    - nevercomments 8y ago
      IMO it shouldn't fall on the shoulder of users to manage the application's memory allocation on its behalf.
    - 8y ago
jasonkester 8y ago
I have used the full-blown Visual Studio.NET for over 15 years now, and JetBrains has got my $150 for the latest ReSharper update every one of those years. VS Code is still years of dev work behind the baseline VS.NET, and likely will remain that way indefinitely (so that people like me can continue paying for the Real Thing). JetBrains will be happy to fill in the gap to bring one up to speed with the other. They'll do just fine.
Delmania 8y ago
Kotlin is free and used for Android. It will survive if JetBrains goes bankrupt. As for JetBrains and IntelliJ, I wouldn’t be concerned. Code has a long way to go to support Java development, and as evidenced by many, devs usually use multiple ides and editors.
zahrc 8y ago
IntelliJ (Ultimate at least) is miles ahead in comparison to VSCode. Adding, configuring and managing frameworks is a lot easier right now. Also, don't forget Android studio is built on IntelliJ. I am scared that it will end in an endless discussion á la "vim vs Emacs" somewhen. I think jetbrains will do just fine.

by bsaul 8y ago

I wonder how intellij will survive if vscode becomes a standard for pretty much every language. Which makes me wonder if kotlin will also survive if intellij goes bankrupt.

mark_l_watson 8y ago

I have thought the same thing. I have been a customer for years but I might let my ‘everything licence’ lapse at the end of my current subscription. VSCode is amazing for mainstream languages as well as Haskell etc.

oweiler 8y ago

At least with regards to Java, IntelliJ is still miles ahead.

h4l0 8y ago
And maybe not the most popular opinion but I still prefer PyCharm over VSCode
brandonwamboldt 8y ago
Something to consider, VS Code being free means it will eat into IntelliJ's marketshare, even without all the features of IntelliJ. They'll be the people who need the advanced features who will continue buying it, but many people may not need the full suite, and will use VS Code to save money.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  IntelliJ has a free version which is good enough in many cases: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_...
- tincholio 8y ago
  The IntelliJ community edition is free as well, and has features galore. (I'm an Emacs guy through and through, but some Java stuff makes me break out IntelliJ)
crazypyro 8y ago
Yup, I use both VSCode (for JS) and Intellij (for Java). VSCode is no where close to having the functionality of Intellij Ultimate and I really don't see that gap closing much without some major new extensions being written.

Alir3z4 8y ago

I've used Intellij for the Java, Python, Ruby, PHP, JavaScript, TypeScript. I can say that in no way I found VSCode be able to to take on it, even the JavaScript support and they way they have integration with many JavaScript frameworks and other languages frameworks is something I cannot find in VSCode. Intellij IDEs are really fast, very well integrated and made to get me productive, I couldn't find that in VSCode. Worth noting, I still use VSCode for JavaScript & HTML & CSS development, but only when it's not heavy development, otherwise Intellij IDEs.

RussianCow 8y ago
> Intellij IDEs are really fast I would strongly dispute this. I love the JetBrains IDEs and have been using IntelliJ IDEA for many years, but performance in general is definitely not one of its strong suits (though it has improved significantly over the years). IntelliJ just feels very sluggish to me, and regularly lags and hangs on our (rather large) work codebase. Anything that causes the IDE to start indexing takes about a full minute before it is usable again. Then there's the occasional crash due to a bad plugin. And it definitely (at least for me) uses more battery on my MacBook than any other editor I've tried. Having said all that, I try VSCode and other editors every couple months, but I always find myself coming back to IntelliJ IDEA for the reasons you mentioned. Currently, it's just a superior and "smarter" IDE, though I expect Microsoft to narrow the gap over time.
- Damarus 8y ago
  Are you sure you're not just running out of heap space? That problem appeared really quickly when we migrated our devs to IntelliJ, and slowed it down to a crawl. The default 750MB are just not enough for projects with 5000+ Classes.
  - nevercomments 8y ago
    IMO it shouldn't fall on the shoulder of users to manage the application's memory allocation on its behalf.
  - 8y ago

jasonkester 8y ago

I have used the full-blown Visual Studio.NET for over 15 years now, and JetBrains has got my $150 for the latest ReSharper update every one of those years. VS Code is still years of dev work behind the baseline VS.NET, and likely will remain that way indefinitely (so that people like me can continue paying for the Real Thing). JetBrains will be happy to fill in the gap to bring one up to speed with the other. They'll do just fine.

Delmania 8y ago

Kotlin is free and used for Android. It will survive if JetBrains goes bankrupt. As for JetBrains and IntelliJ, I wouldn’t be concerned. Code has a long way to go to support Java development, and as evidenced by many, devs usually use multiple ides and editors.

zahrc 8y ago

IntelliJ (Ultimate at least) is miles ahead in comparison to VSCode. Adding, configuring and managing frameworks is a lot easier right now. Also, don't forget Android studio is built on IntelliJ. I am scared that it will end in an endless discussion á la "vim vs Emacs" somewhen. I think jetbrains will do just fine.