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You can't work/belong to in most media companies, any major film/TV company, any major tech company, almost any university, many law societies and groups, many

You can't work/belong to in most media companies, any major film/TV company, any major tech company, almost any university, many law societies and groups, many medical organizations. If you're discovered, you'll be fired, shamed, and blacklisted from the industry more broadly (see: James Damore). You essentially can't have a normal career in tech, media, journalism, acting, law, medicine, or any academic field. You can sometimes have a career, but it'll be highly constrained by your identity as a hated Other for the power class. You can have a little irrelevant job somewhere, but watch out: If any attention is drawn to you, you'll be fired there as well. One example is Tony Hovater: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nationalist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nat... He was fired from his job at a restaurant, couldn't pay rent, and people started posting his home address online. So he and his wife lost their home fleeing physical violence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/29/nazi-sympathizer-profiled-by-the-new-york-times-says-he-lost-his-job-and-soon-his-home https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/2... The Times article also notes he feared violence (specifically from armed thugs at his wedding). Which isn't surprising considering other violent incidents, like the guy who tried to gun down Steve Scalise at a baseball game, countless petty screaming and grabbings and punchings of anyone wearing a MAGA hat, etc. It happens at every level, too. Not just Google developers telling Damore "I will keep hounding you until one of us is fired. Fuck you." But even high-level Democratic party politicans openly calling for Trump admin officials to be harassed in every public space: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rep-waters-draws-criticism-saying-trump-officials-should-be-harassed-n886311 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rep-waters-dr... This sort of thing filters up and down; Maxine Waters said that because it's a fairly normal attitude in her peer group. Another example - the violent mobbing of Charles Murray and Allison Stanger. Stanger ended up in the hospital in a neck brace. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middleb... This is off the top of my head. There's lots more.

wtallis 8y ago
> This is off the top of my head. There's lots more. I'm sure there is. But there's no way to pretend that it at all approaches the scale of discrimination that women or blacks or gays have been subjected to. The mere existence of violent reprisals doesn't put their victimization on an equal footing with those who had to fear the KKK. Those events are currently far more exceptional than gay-bashing or lynching of blacks have been in the past. And among your specific examples, all but Stanger were activists working in support of political causes that put other minorities in a very understandable defensive mood, given how government-supported white nationalism would obviously cause far more harm than white nationalists have been receiving from the riots they help incite. (This is not to say that they were deserving of violence because of their activism, but it means they aren't a representative sample of their political group as a whole.) The picture I'm seeing isn't tyranny or even a trajectory leading to tyranny. It's outlier events at the fringe of a conflict that is overwhelmingly a peaceful albeit heated political conflict. Any disagreement at this scale will have outliers like this. More than one quarter of US adults voted for Trump. Are there any demographic measures by which they're collectively worse off than blacks during the Jim Crow era? Especially the ones who are no more active in promoting their beliefs than bumper stickers, yard signs, and voting in primaries? Are there actual statistics to support your assertions that they're being thoroughly shut out of so many career paths and industries, not just self-selecting to avoid institutions they view as full of bad people and bad morals? Is anyone who's not a public figure being subjected to this supposed tyranny? Calling the current conditions for right-wing extremists in the US "tyranny" seems like a vast overreach (and one that offensively minimizes much worse historical oppressions), which is why I asked for clarification whether that was what was really meant.

wtallis 8y ago

> This is off the top of my head. There's lots more. I'm sure there is. But there's no way to pretend that it at all approaches the scale of discrimination that women or blacks or gays have been subjected to. The mere existence of violent reprisals doesn't put their victimization on an equal footing with those who had to fear the KKK. Those events are currently far more exceptional than gay-bashing or lynching of blacks have been in the past. And among your specific examples, all but Stanger were activists working in support of political causes that put other minorities in a very understandable defensive mood, given how government-supported white nationalism would obviously cause far more harm than white nationalists have been receiving from the riots they help incite. (This is not to say that they were deserving of violence because of their activism, but it means they aren't a representative sample of their political group as a whole.) The picture I'm seeing isn't tyranny or even a trajectory leading to tyranny. It's outlier events at the fringe of a conflict that is overwhelmingly a peaceful albeit heated political conflict. Any disagreement at this scale will have outliers like this. More than one quarter of US adults voted for Trump. Are there any demographic measures by which they're collectively worse off than blacks during the Jim Crow era? Especially the ones who are no more active in promoting their beliefs than bumper stickers, yard signs, and voting in primaries? Are there actual statistics to support your assertions that they're being thoroughly shut out of so many career paths and industries, not just self-selecting to avoid institutions they view as full of bad people and bad morals? Is anyone who's not a public figure being subjected to this supposed tyranny? Calling the current conditions for right-wing extremists in the US "tyranny" seems like a vast overreach (and one that offensively minimizes much worse historical oppressions), which is why I asked for clarification whether that was what was really meant.