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In that case Google should be free to not index his page, or at least not show it to users who Google know are not interested in downloading it.

coldtea 8y ago
>In that case Google should be free to not index his page No, it shouldn't. Google should reflect an accurate ranking of pages based on content relevance (as best as possible technically), not a curated list.
- xg15 8y ago
  Why is Google held to a different standard here?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Because, as it constitutes an effective monopoly on search (monopoly doesn't mean "absolutely sole mean". There were other OSes besides Windows in the 90s too, and other telcos when Bell split (e.g. MCI)), it's ranking has enormous influence over news, information gathering, business, politics, and so on. Too much to be left to some private interests to play with at their own opaque will (and sell to the highest bidder).
- Isofarro 8y ago
  If the metrics Google collect indicate that visitors prefer quickly loading pages, that should be factored into the decision as what external resources to link out to. The evidence that visitors find bloated pages an issue is slowly growing, from Amazon quantising the financial loss of slower loading pages [1], to more recently, Life Hacks taking advantage of GDPR-triggered quicker-loading less-bloated European-versions of news sites [2]. I guess the question worth asking is if a non-AMP page is objectively more-performant than an AMP version, does Google prefer the publisher to keep the slower AMP version? In a sense AMP is user-focused, validating Jakob Nielsen's prediction of the end of Web Design, because "people spend more time on other sites" [3]. [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/1825005/how-one-second-could-cost-amazon-16-billion-sales https://www.fastcompany.com/1825005/how-one-second-could-cos... [2] https://lifehacker.com/to-make-websites-load-faster-browse-the-web-like-a-eur-1826571274 https://lifehacker.com/to-make-websites-load-faster-browse-t... [3] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/end-of-web-design/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/end-of-web-design/
- PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
  Is Google not a private company that can do what it wants? If they wish to offer a curated list, is that not their choice to make?

coldtea 8y ago

>In that case Google should be free to not index his page No, it shouldn't. Google should reflect an accurate ranking of pages based on content relevance (as best as possible technically), not a curated list.

xg15 8y ago
Why is Google held to a different standard here?
- coldtea 8y ago
  Because, as it constitutes an effective monopoly on search (monopoly doesn't mean "absolutely sole mean". There were other OSes besides Windows in the 90s too, and other telcos when Bell split (e.g. MCI)), it's ranking has enormous influence over news, information gathering, business, politics, and so on. Too much to be left to some private interests to play with at their own opaque will (and sell to the highest bidder).
Isofarro 8y ago
If the metrics Google collect indicate that visitors prefer quickly loading pages, that should be factored into the decision as what external resources to link out to. The evidence that visitors find bloated pages an issue is slowly growing, from Amazon quantising the financial loss of slower loading pages [1], to more recently, Life Hacks taking advantage of GDPR-triggered quicker-loading less-bloated European-versions of news sites [2]. I guess the question worth asking is if a non-AMP page is objectively more-performant than an AMP version, does Google prefer the publisher to keep the slower AMP version? In a sense AMP is user-focused, validating Jakob Nielsen's prediction of the end of Web Design, because "people spend more time on other sites" [3]. [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/1825005/how-one-second-could-cost-amazon-16-billion-sales https://www.fastcompany.com/1825005/how-one-second-could-cos... [2] https://lifehacker.com/to-make-websites-load-faster-browse-the-web-like-a-eur-1826571274 https://lifehacker.com/to-make-websites-load-faster-browse-t... [3] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/end-of-web-design/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/end-of-web-design/
PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
Is Google not a private company that can do what it wants? If they wish to offer a curated list, is that not their choice to make?