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Closed and locked with: > I'm widely known for my extreme stupidity. Loving the zero <expletives> given approach from the maintainer. Installing now.

guitarbill 8y ago
Kovid Goyal is infamous/known to be a bit toxic, see Calibre: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8213946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8213946 (and the setuid "issue": https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/ https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/)
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  He seems to be sarcastic especially when needled, opinionated, sometimes incorrect, and willing to argue a point. On the other hand he actually fixes things. Even if you actually were paying money for his services, which most of us are not, which would you prefer an obsequious kind person who didn't fix your problem or a dick that did. I would take the dick every day of the week.
  - rootlocus 8y ago
    > I would take the dick every day of the week. That came out wrong...
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    Although the hypothetical rockstar asshole vs nice-but-incompetent seems like a false dichotomy, I don't have an issue with direct or abrasive people in general. Perfectly happy using e.g. Linux or systemd. The beauty of open source is you can look at the code and even the issue tracker. I dare you to look at even `setup.py`, a file that's usually quite straight forward in Python, and tell me what it's doing. But if you're happy using kitty as your daily driver, great. I guess you can dismiss all this as "haters gonna hate" and "what have you made?". Which is why in the comment, I refrained from stating my opinion and linked to other people's experiences/opinions instead. Just don't say you didn't know. And good luck getting the things you want fixed.
  - self_awareness 8y ago
    > I would take the dick every day of the week. When I'm asked a question whether it's better to hire a dickhead that is an expert in some field, or a normal person that isn't an expert of this field but showing promises, I'm probably always going with the non-dickhead person. Dickheads are hard to communicate with, they are lowering team morale, make teamwork harder so in the end expert dickheads are less valuable than non-dickheads.
- sevensor 8y ago
  Personally I'm willing to give the guy a chance -- unaware of this history, I reported an issue with kitty on Github after the last time it was posted to HN. I received a helpful and polite response. He took the time to do some investigation and explain what was going on. I was taken seriously. He may have a reputation for being difficult, but it was not in evidence.
- heavenlyhash 8y ago
  I'm... pretty dang okay with that response on issue 456. > To elaborate, the GL driver is incorrectly treating const variables in the shaders as uniforms. That's a pretty serious bug in the driver. I might also simply refuse to work around something that colossally flawed. And to which someone declares "not a smart move", and he said, roughly, "okay, I'm stupid then ┐_(ツ)_┌". Yeah. Okay. This isn't exactly flaming someone out. (The calibre/setuid things are a little less impressive. Though on the other hand, again, I can almost see the sense; I also have some serious beefs with the core design of the linux mount API right down to the syscall level.)
- gammatrigono 8y ago
  What does "toxic" even mean here?
dc_gregory 8y ago
Not an entirely unfair reply to > Not a smart move, imho.

guitarbill 8y ago

Kovid Goyal is infamous/known to be a bit toxic, see Calibre: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8213946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8213946 (and the setuid "issue": https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/ https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/)

michaelmrose 8y ago
He seems to be sarcastic especially when needled, opinionated, sometimes incorrect, and willing to argue a point. On the other hand he actually fixes things. Even if you actually were paying money for his services, which most of us are not, which would you prefer an obsequious kind person who didn't fix your problem or a dick that did. I would take the dick every day of the week.
- rootlocus 8y ago
  > I would take the dick every day of the week. That came out wrong...
- guitarbill 8y ago
  Although the hypothetical rockstar asshole vs nice-but-incompetent seems like a false dichotomy, I don't have an issue with direct or abrasive people in general. Perfectly happy using e.g. Linux or systemd. The beauty of open source is you can look at the code and even the issue tracker. I dare you to look at even `setup.py`, a file that's usually quite straight forward in Python, and tell me what it's doing. But if you're happy using kitty as your daily driver, great. I guess you can dismiss all this as "haters gonna hate" and "what have you made?". Which is why in the comment, I refrained from stating my opinion and linked to other people's experiences/opinions instead. Just don't say you didn't know. And good luck getting the things you want fixed.
- self_awareness 8y ago
  > I would take the dick every day of the week. When I'm asked a question whether it's better to hire a dickhead that is an expert in some field, or a normal person that isn't an expert of this field but showing promises, I'm probably always going with the non-dickhead person. Dickheads are hard to communicate with, they are lowering team morale, make teamwork harder so in the end expert dickheads are less valuable than non-dickheads.
sevensor 8y ago
Personally I'm willing to give the guy a chance -- unaware of this history, I reported an issue with kitty on Github after the last time it was posted to HN. I received a helpful and polite response. He took the time to do some investigation and explain what was going on. I was taken seriously. He may have a reputation for being difficult, but it was not in evidence.
heavenlyhash 8y ago
I'm... pretty dang okay with that response on issue 456. > To elaborate, the GL driver is incorrectly treating const variables in the shaders as uniforms. That's a pretty serious bug in the driver. I might also simply refuse to work around something that colossally flawed. And to which someone declares "not a smart move", and he said, roughly, "okay, I'm stupid then ┐_(ツ)_┌". Yeah. Okay. This isn't exactly flaming someone out. (The calibre/setuid things are a little less impressive. Though on the other hand, again, I can almost see the sense; I also have some serious beefs with the core design of the linux mount API right down to the syscall level.)
gammatrigono 8y ago
What does "toxic" even mean here?

dc_gregory 8y ago

Not an entirely unfair reply to > Not a smart move, imho.