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> I have to wonder - isn't the response to this kind of ridiculousness to simply not post on YouTube Apparently not. From the article: In one week, the Europe

> I have to wonder - isn't the response to this kind of ridiculousness to simply not post on YouTube Apparently not. From the article: In one week, the European Parliament will vote on a proposal to force all online services to implement Content ID-style censorship, but not just for videos -- for audio, text, stills, code, everything.

mirimir 8y ago
Well, then. We need online services that can't be coerced.
- mattj1 8y ago
  https://datproject.org/ https://datproject.org/ https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/ https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/ https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/ I wonder if these might help.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Cool, thanks :) Bittorrent with streaming interface actually works pretty well. Edit: Re Dat, this is interesting, and promising: https://blog.datproject.org/2017/12/10/dont-ship/ https://blog.datproject.org/2017/12/10/dont-ship/
    - mattj1 8y ago
      Nice find, they seem true to their ideals based on that article. This is also interesting, cool demo of streaming video browser to browser: https://webtorrent.io/ https://webtorrent.io/
      - mirimir 8y ago
        That's cool. But I generally block WebRTC, as a privacy threat. But maybe it'd be OK, in a dedicated VM.
        yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
        At some level, isn't webtorrent a privacy issue? You're broadcasting, "Hey, I'm viewing $FOO! Anyone wanna give me pieces of it?"
        mirimir 8y ago
        That's part of it. And more generally with WebRTC, peers know whatever you're doing together. And that's an issue with all P2P stuff that doesn't use overlay networks to proxy connections. So what I should have said was that it's OK in a VM that reaches the Internet through a nested VPN chain, or whatever, so your ISP-assigned IP address isn't trivially discoverable.
- DigitalSea 8y ago
  Decentralised platforms are the future. A couple that comes to mind: - https://steemit.com https://steemit.com - https://dlive.io https://dlive.io Both censorship resistance and decentralised options. Content can't be deleted because it exists on a blockchain and it's fast.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Is Steemit decentralized? It just looks like a website to me. And DLive is just a blank page for me. In Firefox, with WebRTC and a bunch of other stuff blocked.
bscphil 8y ago
That's... interesting... given that as far as I know the technologies Google uses in this space are proprietary. Even if "all online services" could possibly implement such a system, it's likely they could only do so by committing copyright or patent infringement, if not both. I simply don't understand how this isn't ordering the impossible.
pgeorgi 8y ago
"force all* online services" * size requirements apply. Also, if you publish on your very own website that point becomes moot, too.

mirimir 8y ago

Well, then. We need online services that can't be coerced.

mattj1 8y ago
https://datproject.org/ https://datproject.org/ https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/ https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/ https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/ I wonder if these might help.
- mirimir 8y ago
  Cool, thanks :) Bittorrent with streaming interface actually works pretty well. Edit: Re Dat, this is interesting, and promising: https://blog.datproject.org/2017/12/10/dont-ship/ https://blog.datproject.org/2017/12/10/dont-ship/
  - mattj1 8y ago
    Nice find, they seem true to their ideals based on that article. This is also interesting, cool demo of streaming video browser to browser: https://webtorrent.io/ https://webtorrent.io/
    - mirimir 8y ago
      That's cool. But I generally block WebRTC, as a privacy threat. But maybe it'd be OK, in a dedicated VM.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
        At some level, isn't webtorrent a privacy issue? You're broadcasting, "Hey, I'm viewing $FOO! Anyone wanna give me pieces of it?"
        mirimir 8y ago
        That's part of it. And more generally with WebRTC, peers know whatever you're doing together. And that's an issue with all P2P stuff that doesn't use overlay networks to proxy connections. So what I should have said was that it's OK in a VM that reaches the Internet through a nested VPN chain, or whatever, so your ISP-assigned IP address isn't trivially discoverable.
DigitalSea 8y ago
Decentralised platforms are the future. A couple that comes to mind: - https://steemit.com https://steemit.com - https://dlive.io https://dlive.io Both censorship resistance and decentralised options. Content can't be deleted because it exists on a blockchain and it's fast.
- mirimir 8y ago
  Is Steemit decentralized? It just looks like a website to me. And DLive is just a blank page for me. In Firefox, with WebRTC and a bunch of other stuff blocked.

bscphil 8y ago

That's... interesting... given that as far as I know the technologies Google uses in this space are proprietary. Even if "all online services" could possibly implement such a system, it's likely they could only do so by committing copyright or patent infringement, if not both. I simply don't understand how this isn't ordering the impossible.

pgeorgi 8y ago

"force all* online services" * size requirements apply. Also, if you publish on your very own website that point becomes moot, too.