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That's just out-of-scope of the tool in question (Mastodon). Any tool is helpless against Human control. If that is the case the I think I know what you mean by

That's just out-of-scope of the tool in question (Mastodon). Any tool is helpless against Human control. If that is the case the I think I know what you mean by "not meaningfully decentralized". BUT, if we can at least break the monopoly of FB and Twitter into at least a hexapoly, then that has still meaning. The internet's design allowed for many to use it meaningfully decentralized for many years. Also, BitTorrent got lots of gov't regulation, but I can still use it since I'm outside the west. And rutrackerDOTorg is so good. I think that is meaningful. The long-term solution for this Human problem -I believe is to for employees to own corporations. Gov't is corruptible by private companies that is run by modern feudal lords called Executives. The larger the domain of these companies, the more influence it can do to the Gov't. And we have now reach a point in history that these Modern Feudal Lords has acquired all their competitions (Oracle, Disney, that rich dirty old man who owns all new corporations, Bezos, etc.) and is ready to reincarnate Hitler but with orange skin. And by employees owning corporations. I mean 1-person-1-vote, instead of 1-share-1-vote. Managers and CEOs can still exist, but is not permanent. Employee-owners can recall them anytime, and they can agree for a quarterly or semi-annual evaluation. Employee-owners also decide how much to pay Managers and CEOs, how to use the profit. You may ask if this company can survive? This has been done in large scale by Mondragon, a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. Not perfect but it has done good progress.

wdewind 8y ago
> The long-term solution for this Human problem -I believe is to for employees to own corporations. We're right back to confederation. No one wants to deal with this shit otherwise they already would, hence federation instead. > And by employees owning corporations. I mean 1-person-1-vote, instead of 1-share-1-vote. Managers and CEOs can still exist, but is not permanent. Employee-owners can recall them anytime, and they can agree for a quarterly or semi-annual evaluation. Employee-owners also decide how much to pay Managers and CEOs, how to use the profit. You may ask if this company can survive? This has been done in large scale by Mondragon, a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. Not perfect but it has done good progress. No one would ever agree to this except employees. Mondragon works because it pays basically what would be paid regardless. The actual executives managing the Mondragon foundation are not constrained to the same pay structures that the people working in the coops are. The number of non-owning employees is also growing fairly rapidly.
- profalseidol 8y ago
  > No one would ever agree to this except employees. Which is practically 99.999% of the world. Ever heard of the top 100 billionaires having control of most of the world?

wdewind 8y ago

> The long-term solution for this Human problem -I believe is to for employees to own corporations. We're right back to confederation. No one wants to deal with this shit otherwise they already would, hence federation instead. > And by employees owning corporations. I mean 1-person-1-vote, instead of 1-share-1-vote. Managers and CEOs can still exist, but is not permanent. Employee-owners can recall them anytime, and they can agree for a quarterly or semi-annual evaluation. Employee-owners also decide how much to pay Managers and CEOs, how to use the profit. You may ask if this company can survive? This has been done in large scale by Mondragon, a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. Not perfect but it has done good progress. No one would ever agree to this except employees. Mondragon works because it pays basically what would be paid regardless. The actual executives managing the Mondragon foundation are not constrained to the same pay structures that the people working in the coops are. The number of non-owning employees is also growing fairly rapidly.

profalseidol 8y ago
> No one would ever agree to this except employees. Which is practically 99.999% of the world. Ever heard of the top 100 billionaires having control of most of the world?