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Complaining, criticising, two different things. The latter is what's being done, and that is quite useful. Loding and complimenting is nice, but useless. I h

by gkya 8y ago

Complaining, criticising, two different things. The latter is what's being done, and that is quite useful. Loding and complimenting is nice, but useless. I have a love/hate relationship w/ Firefox, but it's the best trade-off for a privacy-aware power-user that also wants a relatively stable browser which does not want too much fiddling. But too many negatives are present and if we do not point them out they wont be fixed. Fixing them is good for Firefox, and good for all of us FF users.

phakding 8y ago
> Loding and complimenting is nice, but useless I hope that your manager doesn't think that way. :)
fpgaminer 8y ago
> complimenting is nice, but useless Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News. For example, suppose you suddenly had the need for Email As A Service. Which of the plethora of services will you choose to use? I believe a lot of Hacker News users will weight their decisions at least in part on HN comments discussing those services. The same goes for Firefox. If all people ever see is criticism, that is likely to drive people away from Firefox. That means less revenue for Mozilla, which means a worse browser for us. Basically I'm saying that compliments, positive comments, are not useless. Quite the opposite. (Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you that criticism is necessary. I'm not saying those comments are bad. I'm saying positive comments serve an important function too.) And besides, suppose you were a Firefox developer reading these comment threads. Don't you think the positive comments can provide a bit of encouragement? Mozilla should know not only what it is doing wrong, but also what it is doing right. And that goes for any software and any company.
- gkya 8y ago
  Well I actually agree you, I've exaggerated. Compliments are less useful than criticism here, but indeed not totally useless. I guess I overreacted to the comment that starts with a false blanket statement and overgeneralises.
  - phakding 8y ago
    Geez! thanks. Hypocritical much?
- kodablah 8y ago
  > Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News [...] If all people ever see is criticism, that is likely to drive people away from Firefox By that measure, they will completely turn off their computer because every single product is primarily criticism here. I also think substanceless praise is mostly useless in this forum (not in life) and I appreciate everyone here that points to specific points and issues instead of needless bloviation. I think encouragement, praise, etc can/should occur elsewhere and we can get to the meat of the product. It's like complaining that your QA team never opens JIRA issues saying you did a good job...that's not the best use of that communication platform.
  - thethirdone 8y ago
    > I also think substanceless praise is mostly useless in this forum (not in life) What is different about "life" that makes substanceless praise useful?

by gkya 8y ago

phakding 8y ago

> Loding and complimenting is nice, but useless I hope that your manager doesn't think that way. :)

fpgaminer 8y ago

> complimenting is nice, but useless Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News. For example, suppose you suddenly had the need for Email As A Service. Which of the plethora of services will you choose to use? I believe a lot of Hacker News users will weight their decisions at least in part on HN comments discussing those services. The same goes for Firefox. If all people ever see is criticism, that is likely to drive people away from Firefox. That means less revenue for Mozilla, which means a worse browser for us. Basically I'm saying that compliments, positive comments, are not useless. Quite the opposite. (Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you that criticism is necessary. I'm not saying those comments are bad. I'm saying positive comments serve an important function too.) And besides, suppose you were a Firefox developer reading these comment threads. Don't you think the positive comments can provide a bit of encouragement? Mozilla should know not only what it is doing wrong, but also what it is doing right. And that goes for any software and any company.

gkya 8y ago
Well I actually agree you, I've exaggerated. Compliments are less useful than criticism here, but indeed not totally useless. I guess I overreacted to the comment that starts with a false blanket statement and overgeneralises.
- phakding 8y ago
  Geez! thanks. Hypocritical much?
kodablah 8y ago
> Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News [...] If all people ever see is criticism, that is likely to drive people away from Firefox By that measure, they will completely turn off their computer because every single product is primarily criticism here. I also think substanceless praise is mostly useless in this forum (not in life) and I appreciate everyone here that points to specific points and issues instead of needless bloviation. I think encouragement, praise, etc can/should occur elsewhere and we can get to the meat of the product. It's like complaining that your QA team never opens JIRA issues saying you did a good job...that's not the best use of that communication platform.
- thethirdone 8y ago
  > I also think substanceless praise is mostly useless in this forum (not in life) What is different about "life" that makes substanceless praise useful?