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Private schools = racism. Got it.

apocalypstyx 8y ago
Quite a few religious private schools were in fact created following desegregation in order to try to use the first amendment to get around the law. A foundational legacy that (in many ways) remains in play today, though (often) with a thin veneer of compliant paint. http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Research/Race-Ethnicity-Report-Series/A-History-of-Private-Schools-Race-in-the-American.aspx http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Research/Race-Ethnicity... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/reports/2017/07/12/435629/racist-origins-private-school-vouchers/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/repor... https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-11-03/new-culprit-in-school-segregation-private-schools https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-11-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy
the_gastropod 8y ago
Steps to realizing this is true: 1. There's a wealth and income disparity between black / latinos and white people 2. Private schools are more expensive to attend than public schools 3. Private schools therefore select for non-black and latino student bodies. This is, as you mockingly stated, racist.
- saalweachter 8y ago
  I mean, in more homogeneous countries they can also be classist.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  By this logic anything that’s expensive is racist. Can we please stick to the actual definition of racism and not the new all encompassing one? > prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
  - the_gastropod 8y ago
    Institutional racism on the surface doesn't necessarily follow this definition. A prime example is the criminal prosecution of crack vs powder cocaine.
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panzagl 8y ago
As someone who went to a recently desegregated school district in the late seventies that was certainly the case, and people weren't even coy about it.
Sileni 8y ago
It's classist, which is just the modern socially acceptable version. It's saying "We're aware there's a problem with the public school system, but we can't be bothered to do anything to help. We'd rather withdraw our own kids and create another school system with the resources we can then divert from the public school system."
- djschnei 8y ago
  Classes are always going to exist, friend. People will also always look out for their and their family's best interest before the collective's. Those are all constants and they aren't malevolent. What is malevolent is calling people racist for withdrawing support for a clearly broken system when their children are at stake.
  - cjslep 8y ago
    Who here is being malevolent and calling other people racist?
    - djschnei 8y ago
      Well, their comment is flagged now so I can't directly quote it (drats). More or less they said, "private schools are indicative of racism". In other words, people who send their kids to private schools are racist or support racist constructs? Racism is fairly malevolent.
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  - apocalypstyx 8y ago
    So, then, the social equivalent of privatize the profits and socialize the losses?
    - djschnei 8y ago
      Individualize everything.
cjslep 8y ago
I attended said private schools, which were 95% white and located right in the middle of school districts whose high schools are way over 75% minority with busing. And these were the severely underperforming public schools. One district over was a public school that's as over 75% white whose performance was overperforming. Both belonged to the same school district. If its effects result in something that looks like systemic racism, it should definitely be given careful scrutiny. Edit to add: A sibling comment talked about how brand new private schools created in the 70's post-desegregation world were openly discussed as being created so schools can stay white. I was under the impression this was common knowledge and it corroborates with what I heard growing up in NC and talking with folks who lived through it.

Quite a few religious private schools were in fact created following desegregation in order to try to use the first amendment to get around the law. A foundational legacy that (in many ways) remains in play today, though (often) with a thin veneer of compliant paint. http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Research/Race-Ethnicity-Report-Series/A-History-of-Private-Schools-Race-in-the-American.aspx http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Research/Race-Ethnicity... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/reports/2017/07/12/435629/racist-origins-private-school-vouchers/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/repor... https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-11-03/new-culprit-in-school-segregation-private-schools https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-11-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

the_gastropod 8y ago

Steps to realizing this is true: 1. There's a wealth and income disparity between black / latinos and white people 2. Private schools are more expensive to attend than public schools 3. Private schools therefore select for non-black and latino student bodies. This is, as you mockingly stated, racist.

saalweachter 8y ago
I mean, in more homogeneous countries they can also be classist.
malvosenior 8y ago
By this logic anything that’s expensive is racist. Can we please stick to the actual definition of racism and not the new all encompassing one? > prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
- the_gastropod 8y ago
  Institutional racism on the surface doesn't necessarily follow this definition. A prime example is the criminal prosecution of crack vs powder cocaine.
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panzagl 8y ago

As someone who went to a recently desegregated school district in the late seventies that was certainly the case, and people weren't even coy about it.

Sileni 8y ago

It's classist, which is just the modern socially acceptable version. It's saying "We're aware there's a problem with the public school system, but we can't be bothered to do anything to help. We'd rather withdraw our own kids and create another school system with the resources we can then divert from the public school system."

djschnei 8y ago
Classes are always going to exist, friend. People will also always look out for their and their family's best interest before the collective's. Those are all constants and they aren't malevolent. What is malevolent is calling people racist for withdrawing support for a clearly broken system when their children are at stake.
- cjslep 8y ago
  Who here is being malevolent and calling other people racist?
  - djschnei 8y ago
    Well, their comment is flagged now so I can't directly quote it (drats). More or less they said, "private schools are indicative of racism". In other words, people who send their kids to private schools are racist or support racist constructs? Racism is fairly malevolent.
    - deleted 8y ago
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- apocalypstyx 8y ago
  So, then, the social equivalent of privatize the profits and socialize the losses?
  - djschnei 8y ago
    Individualize everything.

cjslep 8y ago

I attended said private schools, which were 95% white and located right in the middle of school districts whose high schools are way over 75% minority with busing. And these were the severely underperforming public schools. One district over was a public school that's as over 75% white whose performance was overperforming. Both belonged to the same school district. If its effects result in something that looks like systemic racism, it should definitely be given careful scrutiny. Edit to add: A sibling comment talked about how brand new private schools created in the 70's post-desegregation world were openly discussed as being created so schools can stay white. I was under the impression this was common knowledge and it corroborates with what I heard growing up in NC and talking with folks who lived through it.