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I don't want to condescend but have you tried talking to the person switching on the lights? Maybe you could come to a compromise.

Jach 8y ago
It'll just be the third or fourth person then. Talk to the office manager if you want to enforce a natural light time from the top.
mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Then I’m just the whiny asshole or primadonna or something. It’s not possible to have these preferences treated in an adult way in modern corporations, and anyone the issue got escalated to will just see it as whining. You have to keep your head down and act like it’s Candide: whatever your company currently does is the best possible thing they could ever do.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  "Then I’m just the whiny asshole or primadonna or something." The way you approach doing this goes a long, long way toward how you're perceived. "It’s not possible to have these preferences treated in an adult way in modern corporations, and anyone the issue got escalated to will just see it as whining." I imagine you think this is the case because you see others asking for similar types of things as also being "whining". All you have to do is ask politely and calmly, and things should be fine. You might not get your way, but asking for something isn't automatically seen as "whining" by most people.
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    Why do you think I perceive other askers as whiny? I don’t. I think corporate culture is sorely anti-humane, and we need better sociological solutions in dev teams and orgs, closer to what is described in Peopleware. I take other peoples’ preferences very seriously and treat them with respect. People should at least be heard and compromises attempted. Management and capricious brogrammer types in every company I’ve ever worked for across 12 years however do not act this way at all, and reasonable requests will only be used against you. This has been outwardly and definitively proven time after time.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      That has not been the case in any of the jobs I've worked at over my career. You work in shitty companies.
      - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
        It has been the case in all the companies I’ve heard about from peers as well, which includes several of the “big four” tech companies, prominent startups, finance companies, etc. It sounds like your working experience has been wildly unrepresentative of the reality of modern corporations.

Jach 8y ago

It'll just be the third or fourth person then. Talk to the office manager if you want to enforce a natural light time from the top.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

Then I’m just the whiny asshole or primadonna or something. It’s not possible to have these preferences treated in an adult way in modern corporations, and anyone the issue got escalated to will just see it as whining. You have to keep your head down and act like it’s Candide: whatever your company currently does is the best possible thing they could ever do.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
"Then I’m just the whiny asshole or primadonna or something." The way you approach doing this goes a long, long way toward how you're perceived. "It’s not possible to have these preferences treated in an adult way in modern corporations, and anyone the issue got escalated to will just see it as whining." I imagine you think this is the case because you see others asking for similar types of things as also being "whining". All you have to do is ask politely and calmly, and things should be fine. You might not get your way, but asking for something isn't automatically seen as "whining" by most people.
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  Why do you think I perceive other askers as whiny? I don’t. I think corporate culture is sorely anti-humane, and we need better sociological solutions in dev teams and orgs, closer to what is described in Peopleware. I take other peoples’ preferences very seriously and treat them with respect. People should at least be heard and compromises attempted. Management and capricious brogrammer types in every company I’ve ever worked for across 12 years however do not act this way at all, and reasonable requests will only be used against you. This has been outwardly and definitively proven time after time.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    That has not been the case in any of the jobs I've worked at over my career. You work in shitty companies.
    - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
      It has been the case in all the companies I’ve heard about from peers as well, which includes several of the “big four” tech companies, prominent startups, finance companies, etc. It sounds like your working experience has been wildly unrepresentative of the reality of modern corporations.