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You again completely miss the point I'm making. Teachers and cops in germany aren't harder to fire because of unions, therefore bringing them up as examples is

• AmericanChopper 8y ago
  Police and teacher unions are known the world over for making it hard to fire bad employees. Whether or not this is true in Germany specifically is immaterial because the discussion is about unions, not Germany. You wanted evidence specifically relating to Germany, so I gave you a study proving it’s at least twice as hard to fire union members rather than non unions members, and that it’s also more expensive. You didn’t read any of the evidence and tried to dispute it. Now you’ve given up on that you’re trying to bring the discussion back to the unionization status of teacher in Germany.
  • zaarn 8y ago
    To quote my initial reaction; "In Germany firing a teacher or cop isn't hard because unions but because they're state employees which makes it hard to fire them at all (though it does happen)." So no, I haven't given up on anything, no. I haven't asked for evidence either and I did at least read over the more interesting parts. > the unionization status of teacher in Germany. Teachers and cops. >making it hard to fire bad employees Well, as far as the paper seems to indicate they make it harder to fire any employee, which naturally also means you have it harder to fire bad employees, though this is a consequence rather than unions specifically making it hard to fire bad employees, at least as far as I can tell from the paper and some thinking.