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Better is not universal nor uniformly distributed, therefore evolution occurs, therefore death has adaptive value even in otherwise ideal conditions, and there

Better is not universal nor uniformly distributed, therefore evolution occurs, therefore death has adaptive value even in otherwise ideal conditions, and there is no reason to believe in truly ideal conditions even assuming arbitrarily high technology.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
I don't understand what you're trying to say. "Evolution" occurs, but we've already freed ourselves from the grasp of biological evolution, and are already employing a much more efficient and effective human-controlled evolution. There is no need for death of individuals to play a part in this any longer. Most of our adaptations can be freely removed and replaced without harming their user.
- canhascodez 8y ago
  > Most of our adaptations can be freely removed and replaced without harming their user. Magic does not exist, even in the future.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Glasses, winter jackets, cars, guns, etc. are not magic. But they are adaptations.
    - canhascodez 8y ago
      That's irrelevant. You're not going to "roll back" a brain replacement. Future technology does not allow arbitrary reversible manipulations of molecules. Creating new individuals is much less effort than rewriting old ones in any case. Death is an adaptation. http://www.necsi.edu/research/evoeco/programmed.pdf http://www.necsi.edu/research/evoeco/programmed.pdf
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        But I'm not talking about brain replacements. Just regular technology. My point is that the evolution of collective human civilization is orders of magnitude faster than biological evolution of individual humans, making the latter irrelevant. The only "death" that happens in that faster evolution is loss of mindshare, these days most often seen as failure on the market.
        canhascodez 8y ago
        You do not get to hand-wave away the fact of evolution, regardless of the level of technology. Populations change genetically over long periods of time, because math, and the idea that gene editing will not occur in the future (near or far) is not credible.

TeMPOraL 8y ago

I don't understand what you're trying to say. "Evolution" occurs, but we've already freed ourselves from the grasp of biological evolution, and are already employing a much more efficient and effective human-controlled evolution. There is no need for death of individuals to play a part in this any longer. Most of our adaptations can be freely removed and replaced without harming their user.

canhascodez 8y ago
> Most of our adaptations can be freely removed and replaced without harming their user. Magic does not exist, even in the future.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Glasses, winter jackets, cars, guns, etc. are not magic. But they are adaptations.
  - canhascodez 8y ago
    That's irrelevant. You're not going to "roll back" a brain replacement. Future technology does not allow arbitrary reversible manipulations of molecules. Creating new individuals is much less effort than rewriting old ones in any case. Death is an adaptation. http://www.necsi.edu/research/evoeco/programmed.pdf http://www.necsi.edu/research/evoeco/programmed.pdf
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      But I'm not talking about brain replacements. Just regular technology. My point is that the evolution of collective human civilization is orders of magnitude faster than biological evolution of individual humans, making the latter irrelevant. The only "death" that happens in that faster evolution is loss of mindshare, these days most often seen as failure on the market.
      - canhascodez 8y ago
        You do not get to hand-wave away the fact of evolution, regardless of the level of technology. Populations change genetically over long periods of time, because math, and the idea that gene editing will not occur in the future (near or far) is not credible.