3 ms·

That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Just because something is easy to copy doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Creators should be paid for their work no matter

by doh 8y ago

That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Just because something is easy to copy doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Creators should be paid for their work no matter how simple is to copy. If they are the first one who created it and someone else benefits, then they deserve to be compensated. My best solution would be something along these lines https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17913535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17913535

matheusmoreira 8y ago
> That's a bit harsh, don't you think? No. Given the chance, these people would turn all the computers we use and love into locked-down content consumption machines. I think it is safe to assume this agenda is against the interests of everyone on hacker news. In fact, if copyright holders got their way, it would be impossible to be a hacker. The only way to stop copyright infringement is to destroy computing as we know it. That is their end game. They want to take control of the user's computer and actively prevent them from doing things they don't like. This battle for copyright is similar to the battle against encryption: corporations and governments don't want you to have any control because it allows you to subvert them. > Just because something is easy to copy doesn't mean it doesn't have value. I didn't say it had no value. I said it wasn't scarce. > Creators should be paid for their work no matter how simple is to copy. > If they are the first one who created it and someone else benefits, then they deserve to be compensated. Then, for all our sakes, I hope they can figure out how to get paid regardless of how many copies are out there.
intended 8y ago
It’s not harsh. Although I disagree with his solution- we need copy right, but copy-rights have been terrible for us. However - Have people (on HN) forgotten how the content companies enforce copy right ? The RiAa/MPAA? Copy rights were to help creators earn return on their creation. Today copy rights extend far beyond the natural life of the creator and are constantly being extended to favor corporations/owners, at the expense of the commons. The lotr will never enter the public domain. And Disney is one of the greatest problems in this field. (And now they own Fox!) Packet sniffing was created for the *AAs. Massive invasions of privacy and the initial subversion of the internet traces to their doorstep. Copy right was one of the first fights of the collective group of people who landed up on /. And HN
- pendenthistory 8y ago
  >Copy rights were to help creators earn return on their creation. Today copy rights extend far beyond the natural life of the creator and are constantly being extended to favor corporations/owners, at the expense of the commons. Just playing devils advocate: if most copyright nowadays belong to corporations, and corporations are immortal entities, perhaps eternal copyright makes sense? Not saying that's a good thing.
- tincholio 8y ago
  > Packet sniffing was created for the AAs I'm pretty sure tcpdump predates Napster and any involvement of the AAs in the workings of the Internet...
  - intended 8y ago
    Nope - as I recall that was the ISPs defense “we don’t know what people are sharing since we can’t look into packets”
    - tincholio 8y ago
      The first version of tcpdump dates from '88[0]. And I'm not sure it was even the first sniffer out there, quite likely not. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcpdump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcpdump
CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
Pay doesn’t come from value. In fact markets work very hard to destroy any surplus value above costs. It’s kind of their main feature, find a cheaper way to provide the same value and _lower the price_. Economics only focuses on balancing limited resources between competing interests and has generally nothing useful to say wrt actual value.

by doh 8y ago

matheusmoreira 8y ago

> That's a bit harsh, don't you think? No. Given the chance, these people would turn all the computers we use and love into locked-down content consumption machines. I think it is safe to assume this agenda is against the interests of everyone on hacker news. In fact, if copyright holders got their way, it would be impossible to be a hacker. The only way to stop copyright infringement is to destroy computing as we know it. That is their end game. They want to take control of the user's computer and actively prevent them from doing things they don't like. This battle for copyright is similar to the battle against encryption: corporations and governments don't want you to have any control because it allows you to subvert them. > Just because something is easy to copy doesn't mean it doesn't have value. I didn't say it had no value. I said it wasn't scarce. > Creators should be paid for their work no matter how simple is to copy. > If they are the first one who created it and someone else benefits, then they deserve to be compensated. Then, for all our sakes, I hope they can figure out how to get paid regardless of how many copies are out there.

intended 8y ago

It’s not harsh. Although I disagree with his solution- we need copy right, but copy-rights have been terrible for us. However - Have people (on HN) forgotten how the content companies enforce copy right ? The RiAa/MPAA? Copy rights were to help creators earn return on their creation. Today copy rights extend far beyond the natural life of the creator and are constantly being extended to favor corporations/owners, at the expense of the commons. The lotr will never enter the public domain. And Disney is one of the greatest problems in this field. (And now they own Fox!) Packet sniffing was created for the *AAs. Massive invasions of privacy and the initial subversion of the internet traces to their doorstep. Copy right was one of the first fights of the collective group of people who landed up on /. And HN

pendenthistory 8y ago
>Copy rights were to help creators earn return on their creation. Today copy rights extend far beyond the natural life of the creator and are constantly being extended to favor corporations/owners, at the expense of the commons. Just playing devils advocate: if most copyright nowadays belong to corporations, and corporations are immortal entities, perhaps eternal copyright makes sense? Not saying that's a good thing.
tincholio 8y ago
> Packet sniffing was created for the AAs I'm pretty sure tcpdump predates Napster and any involvement of the AAs in the workings of the Internet...
- intended 8y ago
  Nope - as I recall that was the ISPs defense “we don’t know what people are sharing since we can’t look into packets”
  - tincholio 8y ago
    The first version of tcpdump dates from '88[0]. And I'm not sure it was even the first sniffer out there, quite likely not. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcpdump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcpdump

CuriousSkeptic 8y ago

Pay doesn’t come from value. In fact markets work very hard to destroy any surplus value above costs. It’s kind of their main feature, find a cheaper way to provide the same value and _lower the price_. Economics only focuses on balancing limited resources between competing interests and has generally nothing useful to say wrt actual value.