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The homeless advocates behind this lawsuit also assume that street life is somehow preferable to jail or prison, where occupants are provided 3 square meals a d
by GW150914 8y ago
The homeless advocates behind this lawsuit also assume that street life is somehow preferable to jail or prison, where occupants are provided 3 square meals a day, warm and clean clothing, a clean dedicated space to sleep, and all the free health services you need.
In Norway or Sweden maybe, not in the US.
3 Square meals a day?! Forget the piss poor quality and lousy portions, they’re not serving three of anything
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/07/what-s-in-a-prison-meal https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/07/what-s-in-a-pr...
Inmates at the Gordon County Jail in Calhoun, Ga. — according to a preliminary investigation by human rights attorneys last fall — are starving. The two meals a day weren't enough to sustain them, and some reportedly resorted to eating toothpaste and toilet paper. Inmates at the Montgomery County Jail in New York alleged that meager portions led to increased violence among the inmates; one inmate lost 90 pounds in less than six months. And a group of prisoners at the Schuylkill County Prison in Pennsylvania filed a federal civil rights lawsuit claiming the portions they received are “not even enough to fill a 5-year-old child.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/12/prison-food-sickness-america/549179/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/12/prison-fo...
Then again maybe less food is better than...
In August, the Detroit Free Press reported that a prison kitchen worker was fired for refusing to serve rotten potatoes. You can find nightmarish stories about maggots in national outlets like U.S.A. Today.
They do get clothes, of course they tend to already have clothes, but “clean dedicated place to sleep” is just... what year do you think it is? The prison system is very overcrowded, and regional jails are the worst. Getting banged up for a few days on a misdemeanor isn’t putting you in a prison, but a shared cell in a local jail. Plus, a huge number of homeless people are memtallly ill, and being thrown into a chaotic situation with a bunch of offenders of varying severity is not the best outcome. You may not give a toss about homeless people, you may want them in prison, but stop pretending that it’s good for them.
Plus it’s wasteful and expensive, a burden of non-violent people in an already overcrowded system, and does nothing to solve the underlying problems. The last thing we need is to further bloat our correctional system.
- gamblor956 8y agoWe're not talking about the Deep South, which doesn't have a homeless problem. We're talking about the West Coast, which has good weather year round and clean prison facilities. Unlike 99.999% of HN, I've actually visited every jail, prison, and mental hospital in CA. I've seen the conditions first hand. They're not what you see in movies--they're what you see in Orange is the New Black, i.e., clean and relatively comfortable. Also, mentally ill prisoners get transferred--almost immediately--to state mental hospitals. I agree that bloating the correctional system is a problem--but I would rather use prisons to house the homeless than to house otherwise employed and housed nonviolent offenders.
- maxxxxx 8y agoWouldn't providing shelters be cheaper than prison? Prison adds a lot of security overhead you don't need for homeless people.
- geggam 8y agoNIMBY attacks those ideas pretty quick. I have seen tiny home homeless projects get killed because no one wants that around them.
- rndgermandude 8y agoNo, we're talking about Boise, Idaho. Also, suggesting it's fine to just imprison people because they'd have it better in prison anyway... I'm speechless.
- gamblor956 8y agoI'm not arguing that it's fine to imprison people just because they'd be better off-you're the one saying that. I'm saying that it's not cruel or unusual to send someone to jail as a punishment for committing a crime if they were living on the streets. It is by definition not cruel because they're living situation would be better locked up than free. It is by definition not unusual because incarceration is the standard punishment for most crimes.
- GW150914 8y agoThe homeless advocates behind this lawsuit also assume that street life is somehow preferable to jail or prison, where occupants are provided 3 square meals a day, warm and clean clothing, a clean dedicated space to sleep, and all the free health services you need. Please explain what that meant if it wasn’t an argument that they’re better off behind bars. Try not to argue in the alternative, because Christ almighty is that boring.
- throwaway917100 8y ago