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You read a lot into my comment that simply wasn't there. By freedom I was talking about freedom of speech. > ...do you have an abyssimal rate of reintegration

by qubax 8y ago

You read a lot into my comment that simply wasn't there. By freedom I was talking about freedom of speech. > ...do you have an abyssimal rate of reintegration of ex-prisoners to literally every other Western country? What does this have to do with freedom of speech and censorship online? > ...do you have a president who actively recommends violence against journalists? Criticism isn't violence. Stop it. > ...is an absolute majority of your news stations owned by one mega-corp? I don't know? Should we have 1 state sponsored news company like the BBC or Xinhua that dominates media? Also, what does this have to do with freedom of speech? > You are in the most free country, so the best path is to cut the freedom to communicate globally? No. I said we should protect freedom of speech. In other words, we should communicate globally on our terms, not on censored european, chinese or saudi terms. > You are in the most free country, so the best path is to cut the freedom to communicate globally?... Did I say I was against trade? > needing THE INTERNET (filthy Brits)! The brits didn't invent the internet. You would think that someone on HN would know the difference between the internet and the web. And even the world wide web was partly invented by a brit. Feel free to look up who invented the "hypertext" in hypertext protocol. Can I ask if you are a journalist or work in the news/media industry? It's obvious you aren't from the tech world. The US has freedom of speech like no other in the world. If you disagree, then go look at the list of speech you could get arrested for in europe, russia, china, saudi arabia. And compare that to the US. Not sure why you had to bring in trade, prison, US nationalism and a poor understanding of the history of the internet into this. None of that has anything to do with free speech and censorship. I certainly don't think the US is the great at everything. But we certainly do free speech well.

zaarn 8y ago
>The US has freedom of speech like no other in the world. The fundamental communication issue there is that the EU is not the US, not culturally or in history. Freedom, and as a consequence, Freedom of Speech, are defined different here. Or in some cases you have Freedom of Opinion not Freedom of Speech. People in Europe have simply agreed that in polite and free society, certain speech is not desirable and corrodes the fundamentals of our democratic process and values. People in the US think that all speed is allowed or else you corrode the fundamentals of their democratic process and values. Both opinions are valid. But people in the EU will think that the US isn't doing free speech well and people in the US will think the EU isn't doing free speech well. Ultimately, neither of those is the objectively right way to do freedom because there is none.

by qubax 8y ago

zaarn 8y ago

>The US has freedom of speech like no other in the world. The fundamental communication issue there is that the EU is not the US, not culturally or in history. Freedom, and as a consequence, Freedom of Speech, are defined different here. Or in some cases you have Freedom of Opinion not Freedom of Speech. People in Europe have simply agreed that in polite and free society, certain speech is not desirable and corrodes the fundamentals of our democratic process and values. People in the US think that all speed is allowed or else you corrode the fundamentals of their democratic process and values. Both opinions are valid. But people in the EU will think that the US isn't doing free speech well and people in the US will think the EU isn't doing free speech well. Ultimately, neither of those is the objectively right way to do freedom because there is none.