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So AWS has had some big outages, as has Azure. Has GCP had any big outages yet?

outside1234 8y ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/google-cloud-has-disruption-bringing-snapchat-spotify-down https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/google-cl...
Someone1234 8y ago
AWS and Azure have had "big" outages people because actually use them. Rackspace and IBM are almost neck and neck with Google's best efforts (3% markshare Vs. 30%/40% for Azure/AWS)[0]. [0] https://www.skyhighnetworks.com/cloud-security-blog/microsoft-azure-closes-iaas-adoption-gap-with-amazon-aws/ https://www.skyhighnetworks.com/cloud-security-blog/microsof...
- bitmapbrother 8y ago
  The biggest and most popular services run on Google Cloud. https://cloud.google.com/customers/ https://cloud.google.com/customers/ You know....services consumers actually use.
  - AaronFriel 8y ago
    I'm sure services I use run on all of the major cloud providers, but if that page was supposed to be enlightening, I only recognized one brand from the first page of customers. I refreshed a couple times, and sure, I saw more (on average 1 or 2) that I recognized on each page. But I don't think your response is particularly persuasive. Are you suggesting that the services that I use that run on AWS are in fact, not services I actually use? Or am I not a consumer? I'm confused. Edit: Do you hold any Alphabet/Google stock? I've noticed your comment history trends toward dismissing criticism of Google, praising their products, and taking opportunities to speak about the flaws of their top competitors.
    - bitmapbrother 8y ago
      >I'm sure services I use run on all of the major cloud providers, but if that page was supposed to be enlightening, I only recognized one brand from the first page of customers. So the first page was supposed to be indicative of all of the popular consumer facing services they host? Here, let me help you out: Spotify, eBay, Twitter, Apple iCloud, Verizon, Vimeo, Netflix, etc >I refreshed a couple times, and sure, I saw more (on average 1 or 2) that I recognized on each page. But I don't think your response is particularly persuasive. Are you suggesting that the services that I use that run on AWS are in fact, not services I actually use? What popular consumer services were on AWS again? >Edit: Do you hold any Alphabet/Google stock? I've noticed your comment history trends toward dismissing criticism of Google, praising their products, and taking opportunities to speak about the flaws of their top competitors. Do you own Microsoft stock? Because quote a few of your posts seem to praise their products and services. Do you work for them?
      - dang 8y ago
        We've banned this account. All it has done is aggressively post pro-Google comments and diss Google competitors. Single-purpose accounts are not allowed here, especially not when pushing an agenda, and most of all not when pushing corporate propaganda. Of all the things that make HN users angry, that's at the top. And I agree with them. Most of the time we tell HN users that they're not allowed to accuse each other of astroturfing. When we do find a clear-cut case of abuse that's been getting away with it for this long, I get pretty steamed. You've also frequently broken the site guidelines by being uncivil, so much so that we've warned you at least half a dozen times. That's more than enough reason to ban you in its own right.
    - dang 8y ago
      In the future, if you or anyone runs across an account that has been abusing HN in this way, it would be much better to email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. I happened to randomly see your comment, but the odds of that are low.
  - InclinedPlane 8y ago
    And, um, are any of those "most popular services" listed on the page you linked?
- tobib 8y ago
  The difference I see is that AWS didn't seem to have suffered a non-region specific service outage yet. Whether or not it's related to the South Central US region outage, today Azure Active Directory was down for ~4h. Because it's not running in a particular region, no HA or DR strategy, other than having your services be deployed to multiple cloud providers, would have mitigated the outage.
iamgopal 8y ago
Outage is part of life, but Google's is most resilient in my experience.
- partiallypro 8y ago
  Google doesn't have near the cloud presence of Amazon and Microsoft...maybe one day when they do, we can properly compare them. Given Google's small size/role in the space it's impossible to gauge if this is true.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
    Google is fairly near MS (Azure did $1.9B in Q1, and GCP+Google Apps did $1.7B). But AWS is ~2.5x the other two.
    - partiallypro 8y ago
      Google Apps is not GCS. If you wanted to compare that number you'd have to throw in Office 365/Azure into the same number and it would dwarf Google. Google has ~3% market share compared to Microsoft's ~28% and Amazon's ~40%. Not even in the same league at the moment. Google is more on par with IBM and Rackspace, for now. Google will undoubtedly make strides in the space, but they haven't been tested.
      - robkop 8y ago
        Depends who's figures you go by. As per [1] they're at 6%, double your source. [1] https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/27/microsoft-gains-cloud-market-share-in-q1-but-aws-still-dominates.html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/27/...
        partiallypro 8y ago
        It may have grown, but it's still a fraction of Microsoft and Amazon which is the entire point.
cdoxsey 8y ago
Yes: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007
ti_ranger 8y ago
The biggest AWS outage in the past 3 years was S3 being down in one region for 2 hours in Feb 2018 ... No other regions were affected, except for global APIs (e.g. create S3 bucket), which one shouldn't rely on on your critical path. Many new customer features have been delivered to allow mitigation of this kind of failure (e.g. cross-region S3 replication). AWS had a power failure at one data-center in us-east-1 earlier this year, which had very little impact (basically only customers who didn't have sufficient redundancy in other AZs were affected).
ti_ranger 8y ago
GCP has had multiple many-hour (6+) GLOBAL outages in the past year. I think it's at about 3 so far this year. But, it doesn't make the headlines like a 2-hour S3 outage in a single region, which must mean something ...
- jpatokal 8y ago
  GCP's status history would seem to disagree, unless you have unusual definitions of "outage" and/or "global": https://status.cloud.google.com/summary https://status.cloud.google.com/summary The last incident I'd personally classify as major lasted 39 minutes and was widely reported: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18012 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18... Disclaimer: I work at GCP but am not speaking for them. I also wish a speedy recovery for our colleagues at Azure: an outage like this can only result from many things going sideways simultaneously, and both the cause and recovery can be complicated in ways that flippant "well why didn't you just N+1 it" commenters here on HN can only guess at.
  - ti_ranger 8y ago
    To be clear, by "global"(around the whole globe/earth), I mean that a specific service is broken in every public region . You seem to have a wider interpretation for "global". Besides the one you listed: * https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18005 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18005 "Google Compute Engine VM instances allocated with duplicate internal IP addresses, stopped instances networking are not coming up when started." - 22 hours Newly-launched instances, or instances that were stopped and started, received duplicate IP addresses. 4.5 hours in a mitigation was provided, but it was only resolved after 22 hours, and customers may have had to still fix individual instances. As far as I remember, this was global, and there is nothing on the status page indicating it was limited to one region or a subset of regions. So, for 4 hours, if you needed to create a VM with working networking, you couldn't, anywhere on GCP, and no mitigation was available. Do you not consider this to be "global"? * https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18009 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18009 "Instances using Local SSD might experience VM failures. This affects GCE VMs globally. No data corruption has been observed." - 5 hours The original claim was: > So AWS has had some big outages, as has Azure. Has GCP had any big outages yet? I said: > GCP has had multiple many-hour (6+) GLOBAL outages in the past year. I think it's at about 3 so far this year. So, maybe it's only 2 major global outages, or maybe it's 3 5-hour+ global problems, but the only way anyone can claim that Google hasn't had any big outages is if they don't have enough market share for a global outage to affect many websites or end-users.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/google-cloud-has-disruption-bringing-snapchat-spotify-down https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/google-cl...

Someone1234 8y ago

AWS and Azure have had "big" outages people because actually use them. Rackspace and IBM are almost neck and neck with Google's best efforts (3% markshare Vs. 30%/40% for Azure/AWS)[0]. [0] https://www.skyhighnetworks.com/cloud-security-blog/microsoft-azure-closes-iaas-adoption-gap-with-amazon-aws/ https://www.skyhighnetworks.com/cloud-security-blog/microsof...

bitmapbrother 8y ago
The biggest and most popular services run on Google Cloud. https://cloud.google.com/customers/ https://cloud.google.com/customers/ You know....services consumers actually use.
- AaronFriel 8y ago
  I'm sure services I use run on all of the major cloud providers, but if that page was supposed to be enlightening, I only recognized one brand from the first page of customers. I refreshed a couple times, and sure, I saw more (on average 1 or 2) that I recognized on each page. But I don't think your response is particularly persuasive. Are you suggesting that the services that I use that run on AWS are in fact, not services I actually use? Or am I not a consumer? I'm confused. Edit: Do you hold any Alphabet/Google stock? I've noticed your comment history trends toward dismissing criticism of Google, praising their products, and taking opportunities to speak about the flaws of their top competitors.
  - bitmapbrother 8y ago
    >I'm sure services I use run on all of the major cloud providers, but if that page was supposed to be enlightening, I only recognized one brand from the first page of customers. So the first page was supposed to be indicative of all of the popular consumer facing services they host? Here, let me help you out: Spotify, eBay, Twitter, Apple iCloud, Verizon, Vimeo, Netflix, etc >I refreshed a couple times, and sure, I saw more (on average 1 or 2) that I recognized on each page. But I don't think your response is particularly persuasive. Are you suggesting that the services that I use that run on AWS are in fact, not services I actually use? What popular consumer services were on AWS again? >Edit: Do you hold any Alphabet/Google stock? I've noticed your comment history trends toward dismissing criticism of Google, praising their products, and taking opportunities to speak about the flaws of their top competitors. Do you own Microsoft stock? Because quote a few of your posts seem to praise their products and services. Do you work for them?
    - dang 8y ago
      We've banned this account. All it has done is aggressively post pro-Google comments and diss Google competitors. Single-purpose accounts are not allowed here, especially not when pushing an agenda, and most of all not when pushing corporate propaganda. Of all the things that make HN users angry, that's at the top. And I agree with them. Most of the time we tell HN users that they're not allowed to accuse each other of astroturfing. When we do find a clear-cut case of abuse that's been getting away with it for this long, I get pretty steamed. You've also frequently broken the site guidelines by being uncivil, so much so that we've warned you at least half a dozen times. That's more than enough reason to ban you in its own right.
  - dang 8y ago
    In the future, if you or anyone runs across an account that has been abusing HN in this way, it would be much better to email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. I happened to randomly see your comment, but the odds of that are low.
- InclinedPlane 8y ago
  And, um, are any of those "most popular services" listed on the page you linked?
tobib 8y ago
The difference I see is that AWS didn't seem to have suffered a non-region specific service outage yet. Whether or not it's related to the South Central US region outage, today Azure Active Directory was down for ~4h. Because it's not running in a particular region, no HA or DR strategy, other than having your services be deployed to multiple cloud providers, would have mitigated the outage.

iamgopal 8y ago

Outage is part of life, but Google's is most resilient in my experience.

partiallypro 8y ago
Google doesn't have near the cloud presence of Amazon and Microsoft...maybe one day when they do, we can properly compare them. Given Google's small size/role in the space it's impossible to gauge if this is true.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  Google is fairly near MS (Azure did $1.9B in Q1, and GCP+Google Apps did $1.7B). But AWS is ~2.5x the other two.
  - partiallypro 8y ago
    Google Apps is not GCS. If you wanted to compare that number you'd have to throw in Office 365/Azure into the same number and it would dwarf Google. Google has ~3% market share compared to Microsoft's ~28% and Amazon's ~40%. Not even in the same league at the moment. Google is more on par with IBM and Rackspace, for now. Google will undoubtedly make strides in the space, but they haven't been tested.
    - robkop 8y ago
      Depends who's figures you go by. As per [1] they're at 6%, double your source. [1] https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/27/microsoft-gains-cloud-market-share-in-q1-but-aws-still-dominates.html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/27/...
      - partiallypro 8y ago
        It may have grown, but it's still a fraction of Microsoft and Amazon which is the entire point.

cdoxsey 8y ago

Yes: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007

ti_ranger 8y ago

The biggest AWS outage in the past 3 years was S3 being down in one region for 2 hours in Feb 2018 ... No other regions were affected, except for global APIs (e.g. create S3 bucket), which one shouldn't rely on on your critical path. Many new customer features have been delivered to allow mitigation of this kind of failure (e.g. cross-region S3 replication). AWS had a power failure at one data-center in us-east-1 earlier this year, which had very little impact (basically only customers who didn't have sufficient redundancy in other AZs were affected).

ti_ranger 8y ago

GCP has had multiple many-hour (6+) GLOBAL outages in the past year. I think it's at about 3 so far this year. But, it doesn't make the headlines like a 2-hour S3 outage in a single region, which must mean something ...

jpatokal 8y ago
GCP's status history would seem to disagree, unless you have unusual definitions of "outage" and/or "global": https://status.cloud.google.com/summary https://status.cloud.google.com/summary The last incident I'd personally classify as major lasted 39 minutes and was widely reported: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18012 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18... Disclaimer: I work at GCP but am not speaking for them. I also wish a speedy recovery for our colleagues at Azure: an outage like this can only result from many things going sideways simultaneously, and both the cause and recovery can be complicated in ways that flippant "well why didn't you just N+1 it" commenters here on HN can only guess at.
- ti_ranger 8y ago
  To be clear, by "global"(around the whole globe/earth), I mean that a specific service is broken in every public region . You seem to have a wider interpretation for "global". Besides the one you listed: * https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18005 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18005 "Google Compute Engine VM instances allocated with duplicate internal IP addresses, stopped instances networking are not coming up when started." - 22 hours Newly-launched instances, or instances that were stopped and started, received duplicate IP addresses. 4.5 hours in a mitigation was provided, but it was only resolved after 22 hours, and customers may have had to still fix individual instances. As far as I remember, this was global, and there is nothing on the status page indicating it was limited to one region or a subset of regions. So, for 4 hours, if you needed to create a VM with working networking, you couldn't, anywhere on GCP, and no mitigation was available. Do you not consider this to be "global"? * https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18009 https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/18009 "Instances using Local SSD might experience VM failures. This affects GCE VMs globally. No data corruption has been observed." - 5 hours The original claim was: > So AWS has had some big outages, as has Azure. Has GCP had any big outages yet? I said: > GCP has had multiple many-hour (6+) GLOBAL outages in the past year. I think it's at about 3 so far this year. So, maybe it's only 2 major global outages, or maybe it's 3 5-hour+ global problems, but the only way anyone can claim that Google hasn't had any big outages is if they don't have enough market share for a global outage to affect many websites or end-users.