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Just out of curiosity, what have you seen from GM in their EV program to date that gives you that impression? I look at their efforts and see the absolute minim

Just out of curiosity, what have you seen from GM in their EV program to date that gives you that impression? I look at their efforts and see the absolute minimum and a complete lack of compelling vision or differentiating features.

freehunter 8y ago
I don't drive a GM or a Tesla or any electric car and I have no skin in the game, but it seems to me that GM's differentiating feature is that you can walk into a dealership and buy one right now, today, and drive it away the same day. I see far more Volts/Bolts than I do Teslas. The difference between the Bolt and the Model 3 is that you can buy the Bolt right now. If anything it seems to be Ford and Chrysler doing the bare minimum. They offer EV versions of their cars, but they're not common and not pushed very heavily. At least GM has an all-electric model that stands on its own and isn't just an EV variant of another model (it's not "the Chevy Bolt EV", it's just "the Chevy Bolt" because there is no "Chevy Bolt ICE".) GM's electric offering was built from the ground up to be an electric car, and has won tons of awards for actually being a good car.
- xedeon 8y ago
  You can walk into a dealership and buy a Chevy Bolt right now because there is plenty of surplus inventory. People are just not buying them for many reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ogGZXmepY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ogGZXmepY >GM's electric offering was built from the ground up to be an electric car, and has won tons of awards for actually being a good car. The Bolt actually used many of the Chevy Sonic hardware/parts so I would hardly call it being built from the ground up. I mean, they look pretty much the same. It's like the Tesla roadster 1.0 which used Lotus parts.
  - J_cst 8y ago
    I've watched the video you just linked, and the review of the bolt is pretty good actually. Not sure why you linked it as if it was a bad report. Basically it says the bolt is a good car which lacks the "cool" factor due to its brand. Perhaps i misinterpreted your comment? Thanks (genuine question).
  - freehunter 8y ago
    >The Bolt actually used many of the Chevy Sonic hardware/parts so I would hardly call it being built from the ground up According to GM, the Bolt shares no components of the Sonic. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-photos-and-info-news https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-pho... >all-new chassis called BEV II, which isn’t related to the Gamma platform on the Sonic hatchback. Despite the Bolt’s compact footprint, it’s longer than the Sonic by 5.0 inches, wider by 1.2 inches, higher by 3.1 inches, and has a 3.0-inch-longer wheelbase https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106137_chevy-bolt-ev-not-on-shared-architecture-but-platform-name-secret-gm-says https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106137_chevy-bolt-ev-n... >GM says the Chevy Bolt EV does not share any elements of those vehicles' small-car architecture, which was developed by its Korean small-car team. >"There are no Bolt EV parts tied to the G2 architecture" Sounds pretty "ground up" to me.

freehunter 8y ago

I don't drive a GM or a Tesla or any electric car and I have no skin in the game, but it seems to me that GM's differentiating feature is that you can walk into a dealership and buy one right now, today, and drive it away the same day. I see far more Volts/Bolts than I do Teslas. The difference between the Bolt and the Model 3 is that you can buy the Bolt right now. If anything it seems to be Ford and Chrysler doing the bare minimum. They offer EV versions of their cars, but they're not common and not pushed very heavily. At least GM has an all-electric model that stands on its own and isn't just an EV variant of another model (it's not "the Chevy Bolt EV", it's just "the Chevy Bolt" because there is no "Chevy Bolt ICE".) GM's electric offering was built from the ground up to be an electric car, and has won tons of awards for actually being a good car.

xedeon 8y ago
You can walk into a dealership and buy a Chevy Bolt right now because there is plenty of surplus inventory. People are just not buying them for many reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ogGZXmepY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ogGZXmepY >GM's electric offering was built from the ground up to be an electric car, and has won tons of awards for actually being a good car. The Bolt actually used many of the Chevy Sonic hardware/parts so I would hardly call it being built from the ground up. I mean, they look pretty much the same. It's like the Tesla roadster 1.0 which used Lotus parts.
- J_cst 8y ago
  I've watched the video you just linked, and the review of the bolt is pretty good actually. Not sure why you linked it as if it was a bad report. Basically it says the bolt is a good car which lacks the "cool" factor due to its brand. Perhaps i misinterpreted your comment? Thanks (genuine question).
- freehunter 8y ago
  >The Bolt actually used many of the Chevy Sonic hardware/parts so I would hardly call it being built from the ground up According to GM, the Bolt shares no components of the Sonic. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-photos-and-info-news https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-pho... >all-new chassis called BEV II, which isn’t related to the Gamma platform on the Sonic hatchback. Despite the Bolt’s compact footprint, it’s longer than the Sonic by 5.0 inches, wider by 1.2 inches, higher by 3.1 inches, and has a 3.0-inch-longer wheelbase https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106137_chevy-bolt-ev-not-on-shared-architecture-but-platform-name-secret-gm-says https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106137_chevy-bolt-ev-n... >GM says the Chevy Bolt EV does not share any elements of those vehicles' small-car architecture, which was developed by its Korean small-car team. >"There are no Bolt EV parts tied to the G2 architecture" Sounds pretty "ground up" to me.