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> Also shocking, AAPL is already worth $1.1T This is why shorts on FAANG are so high. Seeing GM, who has a gigantic infrastructure that is paid off being wort

> Also shocking, AAPL is already worth $1.1T This is why shorts on FAANG are so high. Seeing GM, who has a gigantic infrastructure that is paid off being worth 60B, but Apple has... fans? Patents? Tech if anything can be changed in years. I believe in Amazon and Google due to the sheer use from consumers and business, but Apple is not like these. They have a segregated population of non-business consumers using 1 product in an increasingly saturated and competitive market. I dont know if I'm allowed to say this on HN- My (work) iphone has significantly less features than my pixel/android. Apple needs to innovate NOW.

ectospheno 8y ago
There is no lock on the door of Apple's walled garden. Speaking as someone who lives quite happily inside - I have no plans on leaving. Different people like different things. You liking things that aren't Apple is no stranger than me liking things that are Apple.
- themacguffinman 8y ago
  There are no locks because there are no doors, only walls. You can't seriously suggest that leaving Apple has no costs, that leaving a tightly integrated ecosystem that doesn't work well with anything else outside its walls is a low barrier to exit.
  - yazaddaruvala 8y ago
    After 7 years, I switched from Android to iPhone 26 months ago. The only thing I missed was the Swipe keyboard, but then I downloaded the Google keyboard for iPhone, and I was satisfied. Today, I still use FB Messenger, Text (iMessage by accident, but I just think its Text), Gmail (+ Calendar), Spotify, Venmo, Dropbox, FB Events and a random suite of utility applications that exist on both platforms (Chess Clock, etc). My Androids were more robust and in 7 years never broke. My iPhone has broken it's screen twice. It is harder for me to chrome cast onto my roommate's TV. My iPhone is less configurable. My iPhone cost more. Next time I buy a phone, I will not have any lock-in, but I'll buy a used iPhone. No questions asked. I can't put my finger on why, but the experience with the iPhone has been that good.
    - syspec 8y ago
      well i was not expecting that ending... Can you elaborate?
neuronic 8y ago
What can't you do on iPhone? Squeeze the phone to get a shitty assistant? I mean not that Siri is better but I seriously ask myself wtf people are doing with their phones to produce such comments.
- nerflad 8y ago
  I can ssh into my Android phone. You'd be surprised how useful this is.
  - bootlooped 8y ago
    I'm sure you'll admit though that probably < 0.01% of smartphone users care about that. Most people don't even know what ssh is, nor do they need to.
tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago
> My (work) iphone has significantly less features than my pixel/android. Apple needs to innovate NOW. Maybe you are just not the target market? Maybe getting a feature right counts more to Apple than implementing a dozen badly? > [Apple] have a segregated population of non-business consumers using 1 product in an increasingly saturated and competitive market In my family, 4 of 4 people use an iPhone. The next time someone upgrades, it will be an iPhone. Other vendors are not even considered. This is what Apple’s competition is up against. My family is in the Apple ecosystem and we like it there. We have iPads, MacBook Pros, an iMac, are subscribed to Apple Music and pay for iCloud storage. It is an investment rather than an expense because of all the time Apple’s ecosystem saves us – and do I say it – all the joy it brings. Yes, everything Apple offers may have open-source competition and I could set it up myself. Yes, I could root Android phones to wipe bloatware and stop Google from sniffing around. Yes, I could babysit Windows and be the family’s technician. Indeed, in my teenage years it was nice to tinker around with stuff for hours. But now I just want everything to work and get on with things. Apple’s the best choice for us. And apparently for many, many others, too.
erikpukinskis 8y ago
Seems like GM’s infrastructure should be depreciating rapidly.

ectospheno 8y ago

There is no lock on the door of Apple's walled garden. Speaking as someone who lives quite happily inside - I have no plans on leaving. Different people like different things. You liking things that aren't Apple is no stranger than me liking things that are Apple.

themacguffinman 8y ago
There are no locks because there are no doors, only walls. You can't seriously suggest that leaving Apple has no costs, that leaving a tightly integrated ecosystem that doesn't work well with anything else outside its walls is a low barrier to exit.
- yazaddaruvala 8y ago
  After 7 years, I switched from Android to iPhone 26 months ago. The only thing I missed was the Swipe keyboard, but then I downloaded the Google keyboard for iPhone, and I was satisfied. Today, I still use FB Messenger, Text (iMessage by accident, but I just think its Text), Gmail (+ Calendar), Spotify, Venmo, Dropbox, FB Events and a random suite of utility applications that exist on both platforms (Chess Clock, etc). My Androids were more robust and in 7 years never broke. My iPhone has broken it's screen twice. It is harder for me to chrome cast onto my roommate's TV. My iPhone is less configurable. My iPhone cost more. Next time I buy a phone, I will not have any lock-in, but I'll buy a used iPhone. No questions asked. I can't put my finger on why, but the experience with the iPhone has been that good.
  - syspec 8y ago
    well i was not expecting that ending... Can you elaborate?

neuronic 8y ago

What can't you do on iPhone? Squeeze the phone to get a shitty assistant? I mean not that Siri is better but I seriously ask myself wtf people are doing with their phones to produce such comments.

nerflad 8y ago
I can ssh into my Android phone. You'd be surprised how useful this is.
- bootlooped 8y ago
  I'm sure you'll admit though that probably < 0.01% of smartphone users care about that. Most people don't even know what ssh is, nor do they need to.

tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago

> My (work) iphone has significantly less features than my pixel/android. Apple needs to innovate NOW. Maybe you are just not the target market? Maybe getting a feature right counts more to Apple than implementing a dozen badly? > [Apple] have a segregated population of non-business consumers using 1 product in an increasingly saturated and competitive market In my family, 4 of 4 people use an iPhone. The next time someone upgrades, it will be an iPhone. Other vendors are not even considered. This is what Apple’s competition is up against. My family is in the Apple ecosystem and we like it there. We have iPads, MacBook Pros, an iMac, are subscribed to Apple Music and pay for iCloud storage. It is an investment rather than an expense because of all the time Apple’s ecosystem saves us – and do I say it – all the joy it brings. Yes, everything Apple offers may have open-source competition and I could set it up myself. Yes, I could root Android phones to wipe bloatware and stop Google from sniffing around. Yes, I could babysit Windows and be the family’s technician. Indeed, in my teenage years it was nice to tinker around with stuff for hours. But now I just want everything to work and get on with things. Apple’s the best choice for us. And apparently for many, many others, too.

erikpukinskis 8y ago

Seems like GM’s infrastructure should be depreciating rapidly.