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I would beg to differ. I've owned owned a total of 4 higher end and one entry level Mercedes between me and my closer family members. Litterally for the first c

by Arqu 8y ago

I would beg to differ. I've owned owned a total of 4 higher end and one entry level Mercedes between me and my closer family members. Litterally for the first couple years the only maintnence is the general stuff like oil, filters and occasionally the breaking pads. And we all drive a significant mileage per year over various terrains. The actual cost of running it is lower for premium cars than it is for others. Disclaimer though after about 6-7 years of heavier use repairs do start comming up and they can be costly but that is to be expected if you want to run for another half decade or so. The only difference between the more expensive models is that once you hit this period the prices are proportionately higher. Though this excludes sports and ultra premium cars. They are so nicely tuned and set up to last for a long time. Chains instead of rubber, higher quality parts and well tested engines really do work miracles. And I expect to see very similar paterns for electric cars as they are all pretty much premium segment anyways. We just need a bit more time for the TCO to ve a good metric. Sources: owned and driven a lot of cars from the very low end to the very high end with a lot of in between.

SECProto 8y ago
> The actual cost of running it is lower for premium cars than it is for others. Disclaimer though after about 6-7 years of heavier use repairs do start comming up and they can be costly but that is to be expected if you want to run for another half decade or so. I mean if we're just comparing anecdotes, I bought an entry-level model Toyota Yaris 6 years ago, I've driven it 140000 km, and i've only done the maintenence the manual suggests (oil, filters, other fluids, brake pads..) and it's still running like new. The rest of my family drives Japanese cars (toyota, honda, suzuki) and they have had very similar experience - no extra maintenance for years except a few initial bathtub curve manufacturing defects that got fixed under warranty.
- meguest 8y ago
  Lots of Japanese cars have been (and some still are) sold in the U.K. without sufficient rust protection from new. The MX5 is one of the worst for this and is still delivered in 2018 without underseal at all.
  - ju-st 8y ago
    Rust kills Japanese cars. High repair bills or component defects kill German cars.
- bigger_cheese 8y ago
  I own a Yaris as well 110,000 km on mine very happy with it. The most reliable car I have owned. Only major maintenance was Takata air bag recall which was covered for free. My previous car was a Kia Rio which I had to replace clutch twice between 60,000 Km and 90,000 Km. Both times it was clutch cable failing and finally the gearbox died at about 120,000 and I ended up abandoning it. I think my next car will probably be a Mazda I know a lot of people here (Australia) that drive them and everyone I've spoken to has good things to say.
  - emptyfile 8y ago
    Last generation Mazda 3 and 6's are amazing, a huge jump in quality and fit and finish from the previous generation.
redindian 8y ago
I too beg to differ. Ive had 325 & X3. After the 5 year mark (and free maintenance ends) BMWs have sky high maintenance. I am not even talking about dealership maint. I go for 3rd party and still lots of stuff breaks or needs repairs (waterpump etc) - everytime the bill comes to a cool 1-2-3K. My X3 is the the worst offender, every 2 years I have to cough up 3K range repairs... ouch
- close04 8y ago
  That's literally fake news. I owned a BMW 7 series and beside regular maintenance, some A/C minor issues, and some buttons breaking I didn't have any problems worth mentioning. This is the new definition of "fake news" you also seem fond of. Having to pay $3K every 2 years means that you either got a lemon or you're doing something wrong. But this happening on 2 different models strengthens the second option. Going for "3rd parties" also suggests you may have gotten low quality parts and repairs. There are models that have a couple of known issues but having all the issues on different models is peculiar. And even you don't have the full picture when it comes to your own cars. No data on how much it costs and how long it takes to fix say a Model 3 in case something happens. Either a failure or an accident. Expensive or not BMW parts and garages are available at every corner. How about Tesla parts? Tesla garages? Do you honestly think this doesn't have any impact on the cost and length of the repair? Tesla forums are full of (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that getting quick and affordable service is the exception not the norm. This isn't an intrinsic problem for EVs or anything like that. It's just a problem for manufacturers that didn't develop any serious support network for post sale services of any kind.
  - qaq 8y ago
    While BMW has moved up a lot in recent years in reliability ratings Mercedes is sitting at 14th place behind Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda etc.
sokoloff 8y ago
The other very nice thing about working on Mercedes is that the cars seem engineered to be serviced over their life. Things that need removed have actual bolts instead of the plastic “Christmas tree fasteners”. Care is given to access for common tasks. Sure, they come up with a few weak points, but routine service is satisfying (almost a joy) because you know it can go back together without rattles, loose parts, or a trip to the dealer for a few plastic BS fasteners. MB parts are readily available and reasonably priced in general. Source: I turn all the wrenches on our cars and most of my parents’ cars, except only tire changes and bodywork. Over the years, that’s 5 Mercedes, 2 Hondas, 2 Smarts, 1 Alfa, 2 VWs, 1 LEAF, 2 Jeeps, and 2 classic Mustangs.
- jachee 8y ago
  > things that need removed Off-topic and just curious: Are you from Pittsburgh? I've seldom seen "to be" dropped as often as I do here. :)
  - sokoloff 8y ago
    Well, sort of. Both my parents are from 45 minutes outside Pitt, so lots of influence I’m sure, but I grew up elsewhere. I’m not a yinz-er, but all my cousins are. ;)

by Arqu 8y ago

SECProto 8y ago

> The actual cost of running it is lower for premium cars than it is for others. Disclaimer though after about 6-7 years of heavier use repairs do start comming up and they can be costly but that is to be expected if you want to run for another half decade or so. I mean if we're just comparing anecdotes, I bought an entry-level model Toyota Yaris 6 years ago, I've driven it 140000 km, and i've only done the maintenence the manual suggests (oil, filters, other fluids, brake pads..) and it's still running like new. The rest of my family drives Japanese cars (toyota, honda, suzuki) and they have had very similar experience - no extra maintenance for years except a few initial bathtub curve manufacturing defects that got fixed under warranty.

meguest 8y ago
Lots of Japanese cars have been (and some still are) sold in the U.K. without sufficient rust protection from new. The MX5 is one of the worst for this and is still delivered in 2018 without underseal at all.
- ju-st 8y ago
  Rust kills Japanese cars. High repair bills or component defects kill German cars.
bigger_cheese 8y ago
I own a Yaris as well 110,000 km on mine very happy with it. The most reliable car I have owned. Only major maintenance was Takata air bag recall which was covered for free. My previous car was a Kia Rio which I had to replace clutch twice between 60,000 Km and 90,000 Km. Both times it was clutch cable failing and finally the gearbox died at about 120,000 and I ended up abandoning it. I think my next car will probably be a Mazda I know a lot of people here (Australia) that drive them and everyone I've spoken to has good things to say.
- emptyfile 8y ago
  Last generation Mazda 3 and 6's are amazing, a huge jump in quality and fit and finish from the previous generation.

redindian 8y ago

I too beg to differ. Ive had 325 & X3. After the 5 year mark (and free maintenance ends) BMWs have sky high maintenance. I am not even talking about dealership maint. I go for 3rd party and still lots of stuff breaks or needs repairs (waterpump etc) - everytime the bill comes to a cool 1-2-3K. My X3 is the the worst offender, every 2 years I have to cough up 3K range repairs... ouch

close04 8y ago
That's literally fake news. I owned a BMW 7 series and beside regular maintenance, some A/C minor issues, and some buttons breaking I didn't have any problems worth mentioning. This is the new definition of "fake news" you also seem fond of. Having to pay $3K every 2 years means that you either got a lemon or you're doing something wrong. But this happening on 2 different models strengthens the second option. Going for "3rd parties" also suggests you may have gotten low quality parts and repairs. There are models that have a couple of known issues but having all the issues on different models is peculiar. And even you don't have the full picture when it comes to your own cars. No data on how much it costs and how long it takes to fix say a Model 3 in case something happens. Either a failure or an accident. Expensive or not BMW parts and garages are available at every corner. How about Tesla parts? Tesla garages? Do you honestly think this doesn't have any impact on the cost and length of the repair? Tesla forums are full of (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that getting quick and affordable service is the exception not the norm. This isn't an intrinsic problem for EVs or anything like that. It's just a problem for manufacturers that didn't develop any serious support network for post sale services of any kind.
- qaq 8y ago
  While BMW has moved up a lot in recent years in reliability ratings Mercedes is sitting at 14th place behind Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda etc.

sokoloff 8y ago

The other very nice thing about working on Mercedes is that the cars seem engineered to be serviced over their life. Things that need removed have actual bolts instead of the plastic “Christmas tree fasteners”. Care is given to access for common tasks. Sure, they come up with a few weak points, but routine service is satisfying (almost a joy) because you know it can go back together without rattles, loose parts, or a trip to the dealer for a few plastic BS fasteners. MB parts are readily available and reasonably priced in general. Source: I turn all the wrenches on our cars and most of my parents’ cars, except only tire changes and bodywork. Over the years, that’s 5 Mercedes, 2 Hondas, 2 Smarts, 1 Alfa, 2 VWs, 1 LEAF, 2 Jeeps, and 2 classic Mustangs.

jachee 8y ago
> things that need removed Off-topic and just curious: Are you from Pittsburgh? I've seldom seen "to be" dropped as often as I do here. :)
- sokoloff 8y ago
  Well, sort of. Both my parents are from 45 minutes outside Pitt, so lots of influence I’m sure, but I grew up elsewhere. I’m not a yinz-er, but all my cousins are. ;)