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That suggests that "more people" is an unmitigated good, which I don't believe. There has never been a time when you were more able to avoid unplanned childbirt

by Sileni 8y ago

That suggests that "more people" is an unmitigated good, which I don't believe. There has never been a time when you were more able to avoid unplanned childbirth. The number of children in foster care has been increasing since 2013.[0]Whatever good could be done by having a child could be done better by acknowledging some of the people already in this world and giving them a real shot. We're all responsible for any situation that becomes a "tragedy of the commons", and we need to start behaving like it. [0]: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/30/567615510/number-of-american-children-in-foster-care-increases-for-4th-consecutive-year https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/30/567615510...

quotemstr 8y ago
There's nothing wrong with wanting your kids to be your own, nor with the desire to ensure that part of you makes it to the next generation. I'm sick of anti-humanism backlash against doing the thing that every organism ultimately exists to do.
- Sileni 8y ago
  Considering humans are the demonstrated reason for climate change, I'd argue some anti-human sentiment is a bit overdue. Nature's going to be fine. Life will recover once we're gone. It's us humans that are going to suffer because of our humanist entitlement.
  - quotemstr 8y ago
    The idea that some environmenal metric is more important than human suffering is bizarre and vaguely masochistic. The environment is an instrumental good for humanity's use, not a legitimate moral object in itself. Human extinction is a maximally bad scenario no matter how well the environment does afterwards
    - Sileni 8y ago
      No, I'm saying pumping more neglected children into the world to satisfy your ego is childish and the exact mentality that put us in this position to begin with, and if we continue to ignore that the mechanism that self corrects for our overpopulation or over consumption is going to cause far more suffering than any human policy could. But keep choking down the cognitive dissonance however it's palatable to you, it's clear you're not responding to what I'm saying but what you're hearing.

by Sileni 8y ago

quotemstr 8y ago

There's nothing wrong with wanting your kids to be your own, nor with the desire to ensure that part of you makes it to the next generation. I'm sick of anti-humanism backlash against doing the thing that every organism ultimately exists to do.

Sileni 8y ago
Considering humans are the demonstrated reason for climate change, I'd argue some anti-human sentiment is a bit overdue. Nature's going to be fine. Life will recover once we're gone. It's us humans that are going to suffer because of our humanist entitlement.
- quotemstr 8y ago
  The idea that some environmenal metric is more important than human suffering is bizarre and vaguely masochistic. The environment is an instrumental good for humanity's use, not a legitimate moral object in itself. Human extinction is a maximally bad scenario no matter how well the environment does afterwards
  - Sileni 8y ago
    No, I'm saying pumping more neglected children into the world to satisfy your ego is childish and the exact mentality that put us in this position to begin with, and if we continue to ignore that the mechanism that self corrects for our overpopulation or over consumption is going to cause far more suffering than any human policy could. But keep choking down the cognitive dissonance however it's palatable to you, it's clear you're not responding to what I'm saying but what you're hearing.