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Twitter should either be banning both far left and far right extremists, or nobody. Otherwise it should be considers a media, and not an internet service and r

by stass 8y ago

Twitter should either be banning both far left and far right extremists, or nobody. Otherwise it should be considers a media, and not an internet service and regulated as such.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> Otherwise it should be considers a media, and not an internet service and regulated as such. It is considered a communications medium (part of the “new media”). Media and internet are not mutually exclusive categories, and the media in the US (outside of broadcast media, where it is the broadcasting, rather than media, aspect that brings regulation) is generally unregulated and largely Constitutionally protected against regulation.
pietroglyph 8y ago
Media isn't really regulated much different than Twitter, and an "internet service" isn't required to be politically neutral in its handling of what content it chooses to host.
Waterluvian 8y ago
So I'm (rather intentionally) ignorant to all this stuff. Can you share an example or reference to what a far left extremist looks like? It just doesn't exist in my current mental model. And I recognize this is terrible when my goal is to be judicious and balanced in all opinions.
- stass 8y ago
  Check out @ucf_socialism or videos of Senator Maxine Waters calling for attacks on members of administration: https://news.iheart.com/featured/joe-soto/content/2018-06-25-rep-maxine-waters-encourages-supporters-to-harass-trump-administration/ https://news.iheart.com/featured/joe-soto/content/2018-06-25...
  - acdha 8y ago
    Wait, now suggesting that people exercise their constitutional right to free speech is supposed to be a ban-worthy offense? I’m getting dizzy from how fast those goalposts are moving.
    - stass 8y ago
      I was replying to a post asking for examples of far-left extremism. Harassing people is never an acceptable form of free speech (actually a crime), just so you know.
      - acdha 8y ago
        You’re stretching the definition of harassment a lot. Sending death threats is definitely illegal. Following a random ICE agent home is likely illegal. The kind of thing Rep. Waters actually suggested, however, isn’t even remotely illegal — publicly asking high-level officials to justify their policies would be really hard to criminalize unless it was connected to other activity such as trying to detain the person. Think about what you’re saying for a moment: does anyone serious really believe that reporters following someone out the door are engaged in criminal activity?
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    Maxine Waters is a liberal. In no way is she far-left.
- megous 8y ago
  I think the existence of anarchist and communist/marxist/stalinist/whatever terrorism is pretty well established. Click through this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_o... Plenty of leftist terror groups there. And most of them are probably on twitter, too. I have very specific interests on twitter, so I know PKK is there. And they advocate for violence.
- spangry 8y ago
  I guess this group are an example of far left extremists in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) "They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence. They tend to be anti-capitalist and they are predominantly far-left and militant left, which includes anarchists, communists and socialists... Scott Crow, described by CNN as 'a longtime Antifa organizer', argues that destroying property is not a form of violence. The groups have been associated with physical violence in public against police and against people whose political views its activists deem repugnant. Antifa activists used clubs and dyed liquids against the white supremacists in Charlottesville and caused property damage. In one incident, an apparent antifa supporter punched white supremacist Richard Spencer in the face as he was giving an impromptu street interview and on another occasion, in Berkeley, it was reported that some threw Molotov cocktails." EDIT: And, if you're looking for individuals, these fine folks from the FBI most wanted domestic terrorists: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/donna-joan-borup https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/donna-joan-borup https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/elizabeth-anna-duke https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/elizabeth-anna-duke
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    >Antifa activists used clubs and dyed liquids against the white supremacists in Charlottesville and caused property damage. In one incident, an apparent antifa supporter punched white supremacist Richard Spencer in the face as he was giving an impromptu street interview and on another occasion, in Berkeley, it was reported that some threw Molotov cocktails." Is it really extremism to punch white supremacists/literal Nazi's though?
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      Yes, physical violence is extreme no matter who it's deployed against (even if they are heinous people).

by stass 8y ago

Twitter should either be banning both far left and far right extremists, or nobody. Otherwise it should be considers a media, and not an internet service and regulated as such.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Otherwise it should be considers a media, and not an internet service and regulated as such. It is considered a communications medium (part of the “new media”). Media and internet are not mutually exclusive categories, and the media in the US (outside of broadcast media, where it is the broadcasting, rather than media, aspect that brings regulation) is generally unregulated and largely Constitutionally protected against regulation.

pietroglyph 8y ago

Media isn't really regulated much different than Twitter, and an "internet service" isn't required to be politically neutral in its handling of what content it chooses to host.

Waterluvian 8y ago

So I'm (rather intentionally) ignorant to all this stuff. Can you share an example or reference to what a far left extremist looks like? It just doesn't exist in my current mental model. And I recognize this is terrible when my goal is to be judicious and balanced in all opinions.

stass 8y ago
Check out @ucf_socialism or videos of Senator Maxine Waters calling for attacks on members of administration: https://news.iheart.com/featured/joe-soto/content/2018-06-25-rep-maxine-waters-encourages-supporters-to-harass-trump-administration/ https://news.iheart.com/featured/joe-soto/content/2018-06-25...
- acdha 8y ago
  Wait, now suggesting that people exercise their constitutional right to free speech is supposed to be a ban-worthy offense? I’m getting dizzy from how fast those goalposts are moving.
  - stass 8y ago
    I was replying to a post asking for examples of far-left extremism. Harassing people is never an acceptable form of free speech (actually a crime), just so you know.
    - acdha 8y ago
      You’re stretching the definition of harassment a lot. Sending death threats is definitely illegal. Following a random ICE agent home is likely illegal. The kind of thing Rep. Waters actually suggested, however, isn’t even remotely illegal — publicly asking high-level officials to justify their policies would be really hard to criminalize unless it was connected to other activity such as trying to detain the person. Think about what you’re saying for a moment: does anyone serious really believe that reporters following someone out the door are engaged in criminal activity?
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Maxine Waters is a liberal. In no way is she far-left.
megous 8y ago
I think the existence of anarchist and communist/marxist/stalinist/whatever terrorism is pretty well established. Click through this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_o... Plenty of leftist terror groups there. And most of them are probably on twitter, too. I have very specific interests on twitter, so I know PKK is there. And they advocate for violence.
spangry 8y ago
I guess this group are an example of far left extremists in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) "They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence. They tend to be anti-capitalist and they are predominantly far-left and militant left, which includes anarchists, communists and socialists... Scott Crow, described by CNN as 'a longtime Antifa organizer', argues that destroying property is not a form of violence. The groups have been associated with physical violence in public against police and against people whose political views its activists deem repugnant. Antifa activists used clubs and dyed liquids against the white supremacists in Charlottesville and caused property damage. In one incident, an apparent antifa supporter punched white supremacist Richard Spencer in the face as he was giving an impromptu street interview and on another occasion, in Berkeley, it was reported that some threw Molotov cocktails." EDIT: And, if you're looking for individuals, these fine folks from the FBI most wanted domestic terrorists: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/donna-joan-borup https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/donna-joan-borup https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/elizabeth-anna-duke https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/elizabeth-anna-duke
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  >Antifa activists used clubs and dyed liquids against the white supremacists in Charlottesville and caused property damage. In one incident, an apparent antifa supporter punched white supremacist Richard Spencer in the face as he was giving an impromptu street interview and on another occasion, in Berkeley, it was reported that some threw Molotov cocktails." Is it really extremism to punch white supremacists/literal Nazi's though?
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Yes, physical violence is extreme no matter who it's deployed against (even if they are heinous people).