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What clickbait nonsense. Do people really believe this? Are people this naive? He was raised by humans at least to the age of 7. Then he was "abandoned" and he

by qubax 8y ago

What clickbait nonsense. Do people really believe this? Are people this naive? He was raised by humans at least to the age of 7. Then he was "abandoned" and he lived by "himself" in heavily populated spain? A few miles from cordoba, madrid and other spanish cities? He wasn't raised by wolves. He lived near wolves. Using this logic, everyone in spain was "raised by wolves". Aren't journalists supposed to be skeptical? Aren't extraordinary claims supposed to demand extraordinary evidence? This article is on par with history channel's aliens built pyramids. I walked through central park when I was younger. I guess that means I was raised by squirrels.

jeandejean 8y ago
I especially doubt so much the anecdote about the she-wolf that fed him like Mowgli (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcBAI6iOn0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcBAI6iOn0). That's just what people want to hear and is totally in tune with the guy that seeks social acceptance. Not to mention that people are in strong demand with "nature is so cool", and "human are evil" narratives where it totally fits.
- qubax 8y ago
  Yeah. It's obvious that these claims are lies or at the very least exaggerated. And if they aren't lies, then we should be demanding real evidence. I don't get why people are downvoting me. Of all places, you would think that HN would be where skepticism reigns supreme.
  - nkoren 8y ago
    That's not how skepticism works. A cursory search reveals that his case is quite well-attested to since the early 1970s, and the verifiable facts are not in dispute. What happened when he was alone in the wilderness is not verifiable, so "I won't believe it without evidence!" is a hollow and useless bellow. There are many situations in which evidence will never be available -- there were no webcams set up to observe wolf-child interactions in the mountains of Spain in the 1950s -- but that doesn't mean its untrue. A skeptical mind, in such cases, needs to rely on other faculties rather than complain about a lack of evidence.
    - jeandejean 8y ago
      I agree the lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue. But it doesn't mean it's true either. So here we have to believe the story of a man. Some people do, some don't...
  - yiyus 8y ago
    This is a quite well known story in Spain. It made the news at a time when everything to watch on TV was the same news program, so everybody talked about it. The general belief is that his story is indeed exaggerated, but there is no consensus if he really believes all of it or is exaggerating on purpose, or maybe he exaggerated at the time because they wanted a better story and he was just a child and it is too late to know what really happened. However, calling people naive and comparing yourself with him because you have been in Central Park is not going get you many upvotes. Expecting otherwise is naiver than believing the raised-by-wolves story word by word.
- Bizarro 8y ago
  Yeah, the mother wolf feeding him story obviously didn't happen.
anigbrowl 8y ago
I can see why you'd be skeptical given your fondness for specious arguments.
pvaldes 8y ago
Rural and urban worlds were much more isolated then than now. Only a few people had cars and the roads were very bad. All distances were much more wider then. It seems that he was not only tolerated, but also feeded by wolves occasionally. He played, sleeped and gave food also to wolves for many years.
GogoAkira 8y ago
hah, I also thought it was a clickbait article like all others, but for the reason on the other side of the extreme. This writer was a sceptic, actually I don't mind him not believing it as much as I minded using this guy to tell everyone else's opinion, such as your own, including his own indirectly, instead of just telling me what was so funny that the snake was laughing and what did she say. So that I can decide for my self, or I don't even have to decide, it the theme of the article is his growing up with the animals and talking, the subject isn't the ex president of spain, the other people, their opinions, because he really didn't live with the people, so therefore they're irrelevant, they're relevant to this story as much as Australians are relevant, because he didn't live with them either. Scope, scope.

by qubax 8y ago

jeandejean 8y ago

I especially doubt so much the anecdote about the she-wolf that fed him like Mowgli (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcBAI6iOn0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcBAI6iOn0). That's just what people want to hear and is totally in tune with the guy that seeks social acceptance. Not to mention that people are in strong demand with "nature is so cool", and "human are evil" narratives where it totally fits.

qubax 8y ago
Yeah. It's obvious that these claims are lies or at the very least exaggerated. And if they aren't lies, then we should be demanding real evidence. I don't get why people are downvoting me. Of all places, you would think that HN would be where skepticism reigns supreme.
- nkoren 8y ago
  That's not how skepticism works. A cursory search reveals that his case is quite well-attested to since the early 1970s, and the verifiable facts are not in dispute. What happened when he was alone in the wilderness is not verifiable, so "I won't believe it without evidence!" is a hollow and useless bellow. There are many situations in which evidence will never be available -- there were no webcams set up to observe wolf-child interactions in the mountains of Spain in the 1950s -- but that doesn't mean its untrue. A skeptical mind, in such cases, needs to rely on other faculties rather than complain about a lack of evidence.
  - jeandejean 8y ago
    I agree the lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue. But it doesn't mean it's true either. So here we have to believe the story of a man. Some people do, some don't...
- yiyus 8y ago
  This is a quite well known story in Spain. It made the news at a time when everything to watch on TV was the same news program, so everybody talked about it. The general belief is that his story is indeed exaggerated, but there is no consensus if he really believes all of it or is exaggerating on purpose, or maybe he exaggerated at the time because they wanted a better story and he was just a child and it is too late to know what really happened. However, calling people naive and comparing yourself with him because you have been in Central Park is not going get you many upvotes. Expecting otherwise is naiver than believing the raised-by-wolves story word by word.
Bizarro 8y ago
Yeah, the mother wolf feeding him story obviously didn't happen.

anigbrowl 8y ago

I can see why you'd be skeptical given your fondness for specious arguments.

pvaldes 8y ago

Rural and urban worlds were much more isolated then than now. Only a few people had cars and the roads were very bad. All distances were much more wider then. It seems that he was not only tolerated, but also feeded by wolves occasionally. He played, sleeped and gave food also to wolves for many years.

GogoAkira 8y ago

hah, I also thought it was a clickbait article like all others, but for the reason on the other side of the extreme. This writer was a sceptic, actually I don't mind him not believing it as much as I minded using this guy to tell everyone else's opinion, such as your own, including his own indirectly, instead of just telling me what was so funny that the snake was laughing and what did she say. So that I can decide for my self, or I don't even have to decide, it the theme of the article is his growing up with the animals and talking, the subject isn't the ex president of spain, the other people, their opinions, because he really didn't live with the people, so therefore they're irrelevant, they're relevant to this story as much as Australians are relevant, because he didn't live with them either. Scope, scope.