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Agreed. But how do you kill the modern web? And how do you go about killing all the bloat underneath? Do you expect microsoft to fix windows? Or redhat to aband
by HeadsUpHigh 8y ago
Agreed. But how do you kill the modern web? And how do you go about killing all the bloat underneath? Do you expect microsoft to fix windows? Or redhat to abandon systemd? Or wayland? Or the countless other bloated pieces of the puzzle? Honestly at this point unless we go back and remake everything from the start the interests are probably too big to be dealt with.
- pjc50 8y agoYou can never go back, just as you can never step in the same river twice; the only way this can happen is if by doing so it enables something radically different that wasn't previously possible. Just as Windows was never really "defeated" by Linux or MacOS, but is gradually being rendered less relevant by smartphones.
- HeadsUpHigh 8y agoWhich I guess again boils down to what I've always been saying: we need to find a way to make hardware manufacturing cheaper. You control the hardware, you control everything. We need more people controlling hardware in order to get a more healthy market.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoThe example 'pjc50 gave isn't one of just different hardware, it's one of a different class of hardware. I don't think letting people make hardware cheaper is going to help much now (you can make hardware prototypes cheap enough these days). Not to mention, bloat finds a way. See e.g. smartwatches. There was Pebble that managed to create a good, bloat-free piece of equipment. But the market was soon flooded by watches running... Android. Even navigations, biking computers and other sports devices run Android now.
- HeadsUpHigh 8y agoBy hardware I mean the actual silicon itself. OpenGL is so complex and patent-encumbered that I highly doubt anyone can make a new implementation at this point.
- gaius 8y agoBut how do you kill the modern web? There’s no actual need for a page to be 10Mb to deliver 5k of text and a 50k JPEG. Esp not on mobile.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoYeah, but the GP's question - the one that's really hard - is how, not why.
- HeadsUpHigh 8y agoI am painfully aware. But that doesn't prevent webpages from actually doing so. I have no idea what the motivations are as I'm not a web developer.