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It's always been trendy to bash Apple's products, call anyone who likes them a "fanboy", rant about the Reality Distortion Field, etc. etc. Truth is, things th

It's always been trendy to bash Apple's products, call anyone who likes them a "fanboy", rant about the Reality Distortion Field, etc. etc. Truth is, things that are actually objectively wrong (like flaky first-gen version of this keyboard) get fixed, and the rest is... subjective. I'm on a MBP with touch bar and I don't have a problem with it. I've never particularly liked any laptop keyboard, and at my desk I always plug in a mechanical keyboard, but I just don't get the pure frothing-at-the-mouth hatred for this thing. It's a laptop keyboard. It's not the best one I've ever used, but it's also nowhere near the worst. My feeling is that this is the latest iteration of people wanting some particular design choice they disagree with to finally be the thing that opens everyone's eyes and proves that their hatred of Apple was perfectly objective and rational all along. But it never actually seems to, y'know, happen. And every year or two they all move on to writing endless articles about some new thing that will finally be the one that destroys Apple once and for all.

tomlagier 8y ago
For me the frustration is moving from a machine that never once got in my way or stepped on my toes (the 2015) to one that does constantly. The typos, touch-bar brushes, speaker pops and stuck keys, were they on a machine that I had no prior experience with, probably wouldn't be so frustrating. But, coming from years of reliable use with the previous generation of machines, they stand out immensely and cause major annoyance just because they seem so unnecessary. I was conditioned to expect much more from MacBooks
- ubernostrum 8y ago
  And I don't have any of the problems you're reporting. If you've got a bad keyboard or bad speakers, they'll replace it. The touch bar doesn't bother me, and there are apps where I find it useful, so we're back to "they'll fix the objective stuff, and what's left is subjective".

tomlagier 8y ago

For me the frustration is moving from a machine that never once got in my way or stepped on my toes (the 2015) to one that does constantly. The typos, touch-bar brushes, speaker pops and stuck keys, were they on a machine that I had no prior experience with, probably wouldn't be so frustrating. But, coming from years of reliable use with the previous generation of machines, they stand out immensely and cause major annoyance just because they seem so unnecessary. I was conditioned to expect much more from MacBooks

ubernostrum 8y ago
And I don't have any of the problems you're reporting. If you've got a bad keyboard or bad speakers, they'll replace it. The touch bar doesn't bother me, and there are apps where I find it useful, so we're back to "they'll fix the objective stuff, and what's left is subjective".