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Idk about the US, but I imagine it's more similar to the EU than the press suggests.... Anyway in most of the EU, by law and by convention^ people don't get fi

Idk about the US, but I imagine it's more similar to the EU than the press suggests.... Anyway in most of the EU, by law and by convention^ people don't get fired often. When they do, it's a part of a greater process where a department is reorganized, jobs have been made redundant or somesuch. Firing individuals for below average performance is rare. It needs to be an extreme. If it is dines, it's done as part of a performance review) evaluation process with feedback, time... The reality is that ^The convention part is important. Regardless of laws, it's very hard to operate a business that's firing a lot. Firing someone is like exiling/outlawing them, to borrow analogies from older societies. If you try, you'll encounter a huge pile of difficulties. Moral/culture will be one. Politics will be another.

realandreskytt 8y ago
I’ve fired and been fired for sub-par performance. I’m from the EU. Its not that rare at all.
- philpem 8y ago
  The difference is, it's rarely an on-the-spot firing (at least in the UK). There are usually a few levels of "performance improvement" / "how can we help you get back on track?" before you get anywhere near "you're goneski". Assuming we're just talking about "not quite the best" work performance here.
  - Klover 8y ago
    It’s really expensive to fire people. Not only do you lose out on the recruiting, the training, the profiling. You will have to do it all over again. I’ve never fired anyone in my entire career in the EU. I do not understand how it’s feasible to do it willy-nilly in the USA. Can anyone tell me that? Or is it much more rare than I think?
    - shodan666 8y ago
      >I’ve never fired anyone in my entire career in the EU You are simply an exception. Typical "Survivor-ship bias". Millions of people in Europe are hired and fired every single day.
    - fjsolwmv 8y ago
      Firing is rare in the US. Layoffs (bulk termination of many people at once) are common, and much scarier because of US's weak social safety net.
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- qoi2ijds0 8y ago
  I've never fired and never been fired for sub-par performance. I'm from the EU. It must be ultra rare then. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
- ianbicking 8y ago
  Everyone is saying "EU" here, but the laws are all national, not at the level of the EU. It also depends on how you choose to exercise your rights. Many countries have a lot of ways to push back if you are fired, but afaik they aren't automatic.
shodan666 8y ago
>Anyway in most of the EU, by law and by convention^ people don't get fired often. Any source on that? This is simply not true and simply a lie. There is no such "European convention" - as each country have its own history, laws, languages and culture. In all European countries people are fired every day all year round, with no compensation or any bonuses or whatever. There are VERY few exceptions like government workers or workers in national owned companies (like defense industry) which are hard/impossible to fire on spot (Unions). For example I was fired from job about 2 times in past 3 years, and I have seen others being fired. Banking, Consulting, Software Houses. By convention in Europe you are fired when you are: - not needed, - too expensive, - worse then expected at whatever you are doing, - not liked, - company does not have cash and orders. Same like in rest of the world. Also unemployment rate in Europe (7,1%) in general is higher than in USA (3.9%).

realandreskytt 8y ago

I’ve fired and been fired for sub-par performance. I’m from the EU. Its not that rare at all.

philpem 8y ago
The difference is, it's rarely an on-the-spot firing (at least in the UK). There are usually a few levels of "performance improvement" / "how can we help you get back on track?" before you get anywhere near "you're goneski". Assuming we're just talking about "not quite the best" work performance here.
- Klover 8y ago
  It’s really expensive to fire people. Not only do you lose out on the recruiting, the training, the profiling. You will have to do it all over again. I’ve never fired anyone in my entire career in the EU. I do not understand how it’s feasible to do it willy-nilly in the USA. Can anyone tell me that? Or is it much more rare than I think?
  - shodan666 8y ago
    >I’ve never fired anyone in my entire career in the EU You are simply an exception. Typical "Survivor-ship bias". Millions of people in Europe are hired and fired every single day.
  - fjsolwmv 8y ago
    Firing is rare in the US. Layoffs (bulk termination of many people at once) are common, and much scarier because of US's weak social safety net.
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qoi2ijds0 8y ago
I've never fired and never been fired for sub-par performance. I'm from the EU. It must be ultra rare then. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
ianbicking 8y ago
Everyone is saying "EU" here, but the laws are all national, not at the level of the EU. It also depends on how you choose to exercise your rights. Many countries have a lot of ways to push back if you are fired, but afaik they aren't automatic.

shodan666 8y ago

>Anyway in most of the EU, by law and by convention^ people don't get fired often. Any source on that? This is simply not true and simply a lie. There is no such "European convention" - as each country have its own history, laws, languages and culture. In all European countries people are fired every day all year round, with no compensation or any bonuses or whatever. There are VERY few exceptions like government workers or workers in national owned companies (like defense industry) which are hard/impossible to fire on spot (Unions). For example I was fired from job about 2 times in past 3 years, and I have seen others being fired. Banking, Consulting, Software Houses. By convention in Europe you are fired when you are: - not needed, - too expensive, - worse then expected at whatever you are doing, - not liked, - company does not have cash and orders. Same like in rest of the world. Also unemployment rate in Europe (7,1%) in general is higher than in USA (3.9%).