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It is kind of funny (not really) how Apple went on a suicide mission with the MBP product line.

Razengan 8y ago
MacBooks have been doing quite well in sales for a good while, sometimes outselling competitors. https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/
- cpcat 8y ago
  That is not always a good thing. High sales with a bad keyboard is one reason why we see so many people ranting, although i don't think anyone has pinpointed the real issue. Sales can be driven by reputation and now that reputation is slightly being exposed.
  - Razengan 8y ago
    Those are the sales of the first Touch Bar MBP that the loud minority ranted about from the moment it was rumored. Apple's "reputation" has been getting "exposed" since the iPhone 6's BendGate, and before that the iPhone 4's AntennaGate, and since long before that: https://www.macrumors.com/2001/10/23/apples-new-thing-ipod/ https://www.macrumors.com/2001/10/23/apples-new-thing-ipod/ The more things change... :)
- StreamBright 8y ago
  Absolutely, until they wont because people realize the shortcomings. I am a Mac user in the last ~10 years and most of this time MBPs beat competitors in many regards, making other vendors copy their solutions. As of today I have to make a decision to purchase a new laptop for somebody and MBP is not an option anymore because of the freakin' keyboard. Regardless how good the rest of it this already disqualifies it. I am certainly not the only one having issues with the newer models and soon you are going to see a decline in those numbers if Apple does not address these issues. You can't run on brand value forever.
  - Razengan 8y ago
    > I am certainly not the only one having issues with the newer models Many more people aren't having issues. Nor did I when I had an MBP (which I swapped for an iMac + 12" MB, and I'm thinking of getting the 2018 ones.) This isn't to downplay your concerns, but calling it "suicide" is hyperbole.

MacBooks have been doing quite well in sales for a good while, sometimes outselling competitors. https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/

cpcat 8y ago
That is not always a good thing. High sales with a bad keyboard is one reason why we see so many people ranting, although i don't think anyone has pinpointed the real issue. Sales can be driven by reputation and now that reputation is slightly being exposed.
- Razengan 8y ago
  Those are the sales of the first Touch Bar MBP that the loud minority ranted about from the moment it was rumored. Apple's "reputation" has been getting "exposed" since the iPhone 6's BendGate, and before that the iPhone 4's AntennaGate, and since long before that: https://www.macrumors.com/2001/10/23/apples-new-thing-ipod/ https://www.macrumors.com/2001/10/23/apples-new-thing-ipod/ The more things change... :)
StreamBright 8y ago
Absolutely, until they wont because people realize the shortcomings. I am a Mac user in the last ~10 years and most of this time MBPs beat competitors in many regards, making other vendors copy their solutions. As of today I have to make a decision to purchase a new laptop for somebody and MBP is not an option anymore because of the freakin' keyboard. Regardless how good the rest of it this already disqualifies it. I am certainly not the only one having issues with the newer models and soon you are going to see a decline in those numbers if Apple does not address these issues. You can't run on brand value forever.
- Razengan 8y ago
  > I am certainly not the only one having issues with the newer models Many more people aren't having issues. Nor did I when I had an MBP (which I swapped for an iMac + 12" MB, and I'm thinking of getting the 2018 ones.) This isn't to downplay your concerns, but calling it "suicide" is hyperbole.