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My Camry Hybrid can have 500+ miles of range recharged in a few minutes. That's the "killer app" that electric has to beat, one way or another. Spending multipl

My Camry Hybrid can have 500+ miles of range recharged in a few minutes. That's the "killer app" that electric has to beat, one way or another. Spending multiple hours recharging is like driving 30mph on the freeway.

greglindahl 8y ago
And yet hybrid sales are low, despite your enthusiasm.
- giobox 8y ago
  Hybrid or not isn’t really the point. A gas car refills to max range almost instantly. It just so happens this Camry example has particularly good range on one tank of gas by virtue of being a hybrid, but the point is no more diminished with any other ICE car. Many non-hybrid models will also comfortably manage 500+ miles on a single tank. All that said, I suspect there is a “good enough” tipping point for EVs, especially now that we are seeing some manage ~300 miles on one charge, which is more than enough for many commutes/weekly shopping trips etc.
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    Uh, OK, I thought it was, but you're free to disagree. I do agree that there's a ton of evidence that Tesla's S/X have plenty of range for most people to not be bothered by it. And it doesn't appear to matter to these folks that a hybrid would fill up faster, which brings us back to hybrids.
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colordrops 8y ago
It's moving quickly. The Tesla Model 3 can charge over 300 miles in less than an hour. It's coming fast.
adrianN 8y ago
Once it becomes easy to charge your car overnight, e.g. because every street lamp is a charging station, I don't think the charging time matters very much anymore.
layoric 8y ago
The killer app of EVs with access to home chargers (even slow ones) is that going somewhere else to fill up the car will be a rare occurrence. UK stats show EVs only charge outside home or work ~7% of the time. For a minority of people, regular fast charging will be a must but vast majority of people will just stop going else where to fill up their cars.

greglindahl 8y ago

And yet hybrid sales are low, despite your enthusiasm.

giobox 8y ago
Hybrid or not isn’t really the point. A gas car refills to max range almost instantly. It just so happens this Camry example has particularly good range on one tank of gas by virtue of being a hybrid, but the point is no more diminished with any other ICE car. Many non-hybrid models will also comfortably manage 500+ miles on a single tank. All that said, I suspect there is a “good enough” tipping point for EVs, especially now that we are seeing some manage ~300 miles on one charge, which is more than enough for many commutes/weekly shopping trips etc.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  Uh, OK, I thought it was, but you're free to disagree. I do agree that there's a ton of evidence that Tesla's S/X have plenty of range for most people to not be bothered by it. And it doesn't appear to matter to these folks that a hybrid would fill up faster, which brings us back to hybrids.
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colordrops 8y ago

It's moving quickly. The Tesla Model 3 can charge over 300 miles in less than an hour. It's coming fast.

adrianN 8y ago

Once it becomes easy to charge your car overnight, e.g. because every street lamp is a charging station, I don't think the charging time matters very much anymore.

layoric 8y ago

The killer app of EVs with access to home chargers (even slow ones) is that going somewhere else to fill up the car will be a rare occurrence. UK stats show EVs only charge outside home or work ~7% of the time. For a minority of people, regular fast charging will be a must but vast majority of people will just stop going else where to fill up their cars.