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> Microsoft has tried various ways to fix this but it only tends to protect high-end models. Try again. Microsoft is complicit in all of this. If you go buy an

by 013a 8y ago

> Microsoft has tried various ways to fix this but it only tends to protect high-end models. Try again. Microsoft is complicit in all of this. If you go buy an OEM version of Windows 10 today, even Pro, what you get is a ridiculous set of preloaded games and apps, like Candy Crush, Bubble Witch 3 Saga, Disney Magic Kingdoms, etc. Its disgusting, and everyone who works at Microsoft should be ashamed of it.

omegabravo 8y ago
My Ubuntu comes installed with Minesweeper and Mahjongg. Windows historically came installed with Pinball, Minesweeper, Solitaire. I would guess that a substantial base of Windows users plays games on their PC. It's rare to find a popular game that isn't enhanced by the internet. I do tend to agree that maybe Professional versions should not come with these _links_, but even a large portion of professional users play games on their company issued laptop. I haven't installed Windows Server before but I would be surprised if that featured game links.
- 013a 8y ago
  I think I draw a line when companies who aren't Microsoft are paying Microsoft to include this software. And its worse because I paid $150 for this OEM key. And its worse because its the professional version. And its worse because they're right on the Start menu from Day Zero. Minesweeper, Mahjongg, and Chess are a little different because they were developed by Microsoft, with no motive beside adding value to the operating system, at least for users who find value in them.
riffraff 8y ago
Is it really problematic if there are preinstalled games? My Huawei phone came with some, I didn't care much. I mean, they take up some space but don't affect system behaviour, like some old windows OEM bloatware did.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Yes, Huawei shouldn't even be trusted anyways. but second a vendor shouldn't add a ton of crapware to my phone. There is absolutely no value added to the end user. It's garbage and does effect performance. It takes up space and data usage. I will never buy a phone that isn't 100 percent Android anymore. And again anything Huawei is entirely out of the question.
stinos 8y ago
Its disgusting, and everyone who works at Microsoft should be ashamed of it. It is disgusting, but I fail to see how e.g. the team working on the C++ compiler should be ashamed for something another completely seperate team was forced to do by management (assuming something like that is responsible for this). In my opinion MS has gone too big for that, with a bunch of seperate departments almost acting as standalone entities (i.e. seperate companies) who can take a lot of decisions on their own without much interference between them, just all sharing the MS name. E.g. there's the research going on, there's VS/Office/Windows etc.
- 013a 8y ago
  That's fair. But; employees at Google who weren't even remotely near the company's work on Drone AI programs were still disgusted and ashamed by it, enough to threaten quitting. Despite being separate firewalled departments, its about Identity and a compatibility of ethics with that identity.

by 013a 8y ago

omegabravo 8y ago

My Ubuntu comes installed with Minesweeper and Mahjongg. Windows historically came installed with Pinball, Minesweeper, Solitaire. I would guess that a substantial base of Windows users plays games on their PC. It's rare to find a popular game that isn't enhanced by the internet. I do tend to agree that maybe Professional versions should not come with these _links_, but even a large portion of professional users play games on their company issued laptop. I haven't installed Windows Server before but I would be surprised if that featured game links.

013a 8y ago
I think I draw a line when companies who aren't Microsoft are paying Microsoft to include this software. And its worse because I paid $150 for this OEM key. And its worse because its the professional version. And its worse because they're right on the Start menu from Day Zero. Minesweeper, Mahjongg, and Chess are a little different because they were developed by Microsoft, with no motive beside adding value to the operating system, at least for users who find value in them.

riffraff 8y ago

Is it really problematic if there are preinstalled games? My Huawei phone came with some, I didn't care much. I mean, they take up some space but don't affect system behaviour, like some old windows OEM bloatware did.

paulie_a 8y ago
Yes, Huawei shouldn't even be trusted anyways. but second a vendor shouldn't add a ton of crapware to my phone. There is absolutely no value added to the end user. It's garbage and does effect performance. It takes up space and data usage. I will never buy a phone that isn't 100 percent Android anymore. And again anything Huawei is entirely out of the question.

stinos 8y ago

Its disgusting, and everyone who works at Microsoft should be ashamed of it. It is disgusting, but I fail to see how e.g. the team working on the C++ compiler should be ashamed for something another completely seperate team was forced to do by management (assuming something like that is responsible for this). In my opinion MS has gone too big for that, with a bunch of seperate departments almost acting as standalone entities (i.e. seperate companies) who can take a lot of decisions on their own without much interference between them, just all sharing the MS name. E.g. there's the research going on, there's VS/Office/Windows etc.

013a 8y ago
That's fair. But; employees at Google who weren't even remotely near the company's work on Drone AI programs were still disgusted and ashamed by it, enough to threaten quitting. Despite being separate firewalled departments, its about Identity and a compatibility of ethics with that identity.