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True, people in the west expect every country is ready for free markets and freedom of speech from the get go...nope. Requires a certain level of development b

True, people in the west expect every country is ready for free markets and freedom of speech from the get go...nope. Requires a certain level of development before freedom should be introduced. Especially post colonization, where colonial corruption agents are not fully removed from power in the systems in place.

reaperducer 8y ago
In your estimation, how long will it take for India's economy to no longer be influenced by British colonization? It's been 71 years so far. A hundred years? Five hundred years? Chinese jingoists are still moaning about what the Brits did in the 1800's and blame them for every bad thing that happens between Kowloon and Mongolia today. Will India also follow that path?
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  In modern competitive markets, regaining economic dominance (without the sword) will take time, yes. Can't actively attack people for 150 years+ (Chinese, see Imperial Cruise, Secret Japan Treaty of 1905) and expect them to, through peaceful means, dig themselves out in less than the time the attack was sustained. I'm sure many in the west are ready to move on but usually the criminal doesnt decide when it's time to move on, the victim does. Hence the usefulness in avoiding criminality.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    Germany, Japan, and every other country that's been on the losing end of a fight would probably disagree. Heck, Britain burned down America's White House, and they became best friends and important trading partners again in just a few years. I think it's time to move on and stop blaming other countries for China's problems.
    - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
      None of the countries you mention sustained a multi-century attack by foreign powers... most endured less than a decade of attacks due to either being an ally/ or racially similar (lets not forget how racist we Europeans were, gladly many have reformed). Also China is passing/will pass USA (and the world) in most important economic metrics this decade. So, some of your wishes are actively being answered in reality. USA shouldn't blame itself for being passed though, can't hold down a multi-millenia spanning superpower for long, the Chinese people are resilient (and they have a lot of proof of work). Just hope Trump doesn't destroy what could be a great peaceful freindship between nations.
      - reaperducer 8y ago
        Japan was nuked. Twice. And was back and stronger than ever within a couple of decades. Opium war < 2 nuclear bombs.
        hungryhobo 8y ago
        Wow seriously? By what metrics?
- dang 8y ago
  This crosses into nationalistic flamewar, which is what we don't want on Hacker News. Please don't foment flames here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

reaperducer 8y ago

In your estimation, how long will it take for India's economy to no longer be influenced by British colonization? It's been 71 years so far. A hundred years? Five hundred years? Chinese jingoists are still moaning about what the Brits did in the 1800's and blame them for every bad thing that happens between Kowloon and Mongolia today. Will India also follow that path?

IllogicalLogic 8y ago
In modern competitive markets, regaining economic dominance (without the sword) will take time, yes. Can't actively attack people for 150 years+ (Chinese, see Imperial Cruise, Secret Japan Treaty of 1905) and expect them to, through peaceful means, dig themselves out in less than the time the attack was sustained. I'm sure many in the west are ready to move on but usually the criminal doesnt decide when it's time to move on, the victim does. Hence the usefulness in avoiding criminality.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  Germany, Japan, and every other country that's been on the losing end of a fight would probably disagree. Heck, Britain burned down America's White House, and they became best friends and important trading partners again in just a few years. I think it's time to move on and stop blaming other countries for China's problems.
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    None of the countries you mention sustained a multi-century attack by foreign powers... most endured less than a decade of attacks due to either being an ally/ or racially similar (lets not forget how racist we Europeans were, gladly many have reformed). Also China is passing/will pass USA (and the world) in most important economic metrics this decade. So, some of your wishes are actively being answered in reality. USA shouldn't blame itself for being passed though, can't hold down a multi-millenia spanning superpower for long, the Chinese people are resilient (and they have a lot of proof of work). Just hope Trump doesn't destroy what could be a great peaceful freindship between nations.
    - reaperducer 8y ago
      Japan was nuked. Twice. And was back and stronger than ever within a couple of decades. Opium war < 2 nuclear bombs.
      - hungryhobo 8y ago
        Wow seriously? By what metrics?
dang 8y ago
This crosses into nationalistic flamewar, which is what we don't want on Hacker News. Please don't foment flames here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html