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On the other hand, Web standards makes it easier to use the Web.

by kickling 8y ago

jdironman 8y ago
That must be why I have 3 dofferent browsers installed in case a website doesn't work on one of them.
- acdha 8y ago
  When was the last time you really needed that? I haven’t had to in years, and I work in .gov. The only thing I see is needing to enable Flash and that was awhile ago.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    I see it frequently in testing. But then, I'm on the web dev side. Sometimes if I see a web site I think might be too ambitious, I'll open it on each of my testing machines in different browsers, and about 70% of the time, my hunch is right, and it either fails on one or more, or the output looks significantly/unusably different.
    - acdha 8y ago
      It’s interesting because I also do a lot of web development and have really been enjoying being able to develop in Firefox and not need to worry much about things working in Chrome/Safari, with a little care checking caniuse.com for the newest things.
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        Firefox-first definitely seems to be the way forward for web developers. We fell into the trap of Chrome-first and ended up having to fix everything for FF and IE, creating a lot of work. Soon discovered that if we just developed for Firefox everything would generally "just work" in the other browsers.
        acdha 8y ago
        I generally also find the devtools to be better but both Chrome and Firefox have years-old bugs involving source maps, breakpoints, etc. so I end up cycling between the two during any given day.
  - Izkata 8y ago
    Last week. For some reason just over the past month or so, a couple times Google Hangouts has randomly decided it doesn't support Firefox one day, then work fine the next. A bit further back (maybe a year or so?), I've also had issues with Youtube and my bank's website. Both of those seem to have been fixed, though.
    - acdha 8y ago
      That’s probably just Google’s aversion to paying for QA. I get the same kind of problems in Chrome and their apps which randomly go away after clearing the cache, resetting the app, etc. I suspect the root cause is that most of their developers want to work on cool things rather than fixing the previous round.
some_account 8y ago
It's easy for the masses, but less interesting for people who are interested in how things work. But have we really reached the end of evolution in web design now? The best looking sites now look mostly the same. Nice fonts, spacey, elegant color scheme. Maybe the next big trend is command line interfaces on the web. :)
pmlnr 8y ago
Sure... and during getting a reasonable HTML5 and CSS3, Javascript went mad, and it still lacks an stdlib...

On the other hand, Web standards makes it easier to use the Web.

jdironman 8y ago

That must be why I have 3 dofferent browsers installed in case a website doesn't work on one of them.

acdha 8y ago
When was the last time you really needed that? I haven’t had to in years, and I work in .gov. The only thing I see is needing to enable Flash and that was awhile ago.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  I see it frequently in testing. But then, I'm on the web dev side. Sometimes if I see a web site I think might be too ambitious, I'll open it on each of my testing machines in different browsers, and about 70% of the time, my hunch is right, and it either fails on one or more, or the output looks significantly/unusably different.
  - acdha 8y ago
    It’s interesting because I also do a lot of web development and have really been enjoying being able to develop in Firefox and not need to worry much about things working in Chrome/Safari, with a little care checking caniuse.com for the newest things.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      Firefox-first definitely seems to be the way forward for web developers. We fell into the trap of Chrome-first and ended up having to fix everything for FF and IE, creating a lot of work. Soon discovered that if we just developed for Firefox everything would generally "just work" in the other browsers.
      - acdha 8y ago
        I generally also find the devtools to be better but both Chrome and Firefox have years-old bugs involving source maps, breakpoints, etc. so I end up cycling between the two during any given day.
- Izkata 8y ago
  Last week. For some reason just over the past month or so, a couple times Google Hangouts has randomly decided it doesn't support Firefox one day, then work fine the next. A bit further back (maybe a year or so?), I've also had issues with Youtube and my bank's website. Both of those seem to have been fixed, though.
  - acdha 8y ago
    That’s probably just Google’s aversion to paying for QA. I get the same kind of problems in Chrome and their apps which randomly go away after clearing the cache, resetting the app, etc. I suspect the root cause is that most of their developers want to work on cool things rather than fixing the previous round.

some_account 8y ago

It's easy for the masses, but less interesting for people who are interested in how things work. But have we really reached the end of evolution in web design now? The best looking sites now look mostly the same. Nice fonts, spacey, elegant color scheme. Maybe the next big trend is command line interfaces on the web. :)

pmlnr 8y ago

Sure... and during getting a reasonable HTML5 and CSS3, Javascript went mad, and it still lacks an stdlib...