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it is about economy. India missed the opportunity to make money compare to China where there are lots of home grown company by forcing outside not to penetrate

it is about economy. India missed the opportunity to make money compare to China where there are lots of home grown company by forcing outside not to penetrate their market

hourislate 8y ago
They exported their best talent to innovate for other countries. The only way they can capture some of the wealth these innovations create is to force manufacturers to do it in country. Strange that they see no value in creating and more in manufacturing.
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  They see the value, everyone does. They're just not able to execute because it's a country made up of a dozen little countries that all want their share and more. To do the kind of manufacturing and industrialization China did in the time it did, you need a top down organization that does whatever is needed without having to waste time with people's "rights".
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    True, people in the west expect every country is ready for free markets and freedom of speech from the get go...nope. Requires a certain level of development before freedom should be introduced. Especially post colonization, where colonial corruption agents are not fully removed from power in the systems in place.
    - reaperducer 8y ago
      In your estimation, how long will it take for India's economy to no longer be influenced by British colonization? It's been 71 years so far. A hundred years? Five hundred years? Chinese jingoists are still moaning about what the Brits did in the 1800's and blame them for every bad thing that happens between Kowloon and Mongolia today. Will India also follow that path?
      - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
        In modern competitive markets, regaining economic dominance (without the sword) will take time, yes. Can't actively attack people for 150 years+ (Chinese, see Imperial Cruise, Secret Japan Treaty of 1905) and expect them to, through peaceful means, dig themselves out in less than the time the attack was sustained. I'm sure many in the west are ready to move on but usually the criminal doesnt decide when it's time to move on, the victim does. Hence the usefulness in avoiding criminality.
        reaperducer 8y ago
        Germany, Japan, and every other country that's been on the losing end of a fight would probably disagree. Heck, Britain burned down America's White House, and they became best friends and important trading partners again in just a few years. I think it's time to move on and stop blaming other countries for China's problems.
        IllogicalLogic 8y ago
        None of the countries you mention sustained a multi-century attack by foreign powers... most endured less than a decade of attacks due to either being an ally/ or racially similar (lets not forget how racist we Europeans were, gladly many have reformed). Also China is passing/will pass USA (and the world) in most important economic metrics this decade. So, some of your wishes are actively being answered in reality. USA shouldn't blame itself for being passed though, can't hold down a multi-millenia spanning superpower for long, the Chinese people are resilient (and they have a lot of proof of work). Just hope Trump doesn't destroy what could be a great peaceful freindship between nations.
        reaperducer 8y ago
        Japan was nuked. Twice. And was back and stronger than ever within a couple of decades. Opium war < 2 nuclear bombs.
        8y ago
IllogicalLogic 8y ago
India hasn't missed anything, India rising is just beginning. Training abroad and repatraiting talent is quite common sense in the grand scheme of things.
- Marly32 8y ago
  Except no Indian is going to go back given the opportunity to stay in US/UK/AUS etc.
  - xaranke 8y ago
    That's not true, anecdotally I know people who did and if you search you can find many more examples.
  - throwawayperson 8y ago
    99% Chinese won't go back too, the one who does maybe a spy.
  - throwaway6789 8y ago
    I am from India. I just got my I140 (for green card) approved and got 3 year extension for my h1b that is valid till half of 2021. I am going back next month. I don't want to spent the next 50-150 years being an h1b slave.

it is about economy. India missed the opportunity to make money compare to China where there are lots of home grown company by forcing outside not to penetrate their market

hourislate 8y ago

They exported their best talent to innovate for other countries. The only way they can capture some of the wealth these innovations create is to force manufacturers to do it in country. Strange that they see no value in creating and more in manufacturing.

lotsofpulp 8y ago
They see the value, everyone does. They're just not able to execute because it's a country made up of a dozen little countries that all want their share and more. To do the kind of manufacturing and industrialization China did in the time it did, you need a top down organization that does whatever is needed without having to waste time with people's "rights".
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  True, people in the west expect every country is ready for free markets and freedom of speech from the get go...nope. Requires a certain level of development before freedom should be introduced. Especially post colonization, where colonial corruption agents are not fully removed from power in the systems in place.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    In your estimation, how long will it take for India's economy to no longer be influenced by British colonization? It's been 71 years so far. A hundred years? Five hundred years? Chinese jingoists are still moaning about what the Brits did in the 1800's and blame them for every bad thing that happens between Kowloon and Mongolia today. Will India also follow that path?
    - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
      In modern competitive markets, regaining economic dominance (without the sword) will take time, yes. Can't actively attack people for 150 years+ (Chinese, see Imperial Cruise, Secret Japan Treaty of 1905) and expect them to, through peaceful means, dig themselves out in less than the time the attack was sustained. I'm sure many in the west are ready to move on but usually the criminal doesnt decide when it's time to move on, the victim does. Hence the usefulness in avoiding criminality.
      - reaperducer 8y ago
        Germany, Japan, and every other country that's been on the losing end of a fight would probably disagree. Heck, Britain burned down America's White House, and they became best friends and important trading partners again in just a few years. I think it's time to move on and stop blaming other countries for China's problems.
        IllogicalLogic 8y ago
        None of the countries you mention sustained a multi-century attack by foreign powers... most endured less than a decade of attacks due to either being an ally/ or racially similar (lets not forget how racist we Europeans were, gladly many have reformed). Also China is passing/will pass USA (and the world) in most important economic metrics this decade. So, some of your wishes are actively being answered in reality. USA shouldn't blame itself for being passed though, can't hold down a multi-millenia spanning superpower for long, the Chinese people are resilient (and they have a lot of proof of work). Just hope Trump doesn't destroy what could be a great peaceful freindship between nations.
        reaperducer 8y ago
        Japan was nuked. Twice. And was back and stronger than ever within a couple of decades. Opium war < 2 nuclear bombs.
        8y ago

IllogicalLogic 8y ago

India hasn't missed anything, India rising is just beginning. Training abroad and repatraiting talent is quite common sense in the grand scheme of things.

Marly32 8y ago
Except no Indian is going to go back given the opportunity to stay in US/UK/AUS etc.
- xaranke 8y ago
  That's not true, anecdotally I know people who did and if you search you can find many more examples.
- throwawayperson 8y ago
  99% Chinese won't go back too, the one who does maybe a spy.
- throwaway6789 8y ago
  I am from India. I just got my I140 (for green card) approved and got 3 year extension for my h1b that is valid till half of 2021. I am going back next month. I don't want to spent the next 50-150 years being an h1b slave.