> "It’s not like people learn an ORM instead of learning SQL anyway." BWAHAHAHAHA!!! No. I have to use ORMs at work because they are forced on me. Same thing

> "It’s not like people learn an ORM instead of learning SQL anyway." BWAHAHAHAHA!!! No. I have to use ORMs at work because they are forced on me. Same thing with Eclipse, and GWT, and a million other things that I detest because my employer has structured their development processes around hiring average talent and getting average(ish), repeatable results (I'm serious, I work with a lot of developers who only know how to code in Java, in Eclipse -- it's maddening). I'm the malcontent who doesn't fit in because I say things like "Let's just use SQL." or "I promise you, this architecture is not scalable, regardless of your seniority over me."