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What exactly do you expect them to do? The card was, in fact, printed; do you expect them to just remove an existing card from their database or something? Th

What exactly do you expect them to do? The card was, in fact, printed; do you expect them to just remove an existing card from their database or something? They can't, like, recall it or something. What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? If you just want an instance of a person from Wizards acknowledging that that art was not something they should have printed, here's an example: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-guys-ever-print-invoke-prejudice-wo-new http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-gu... (Also, although troubling, the multiverse ID clearly is a coincidence, as cards seem to just be numbered first by set and then by card number.)

mcv 8y ago
> What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? Plenty of cards have been banned from tournament play. There's no reason why this one can't. Maybe it already has?
- Sniffnoy 8y ago
  So, first off, this is something you can easily look up. No, it's not banned. Second off, I think banning a card for non-gameplay reasons sets a pretty bad precedent. Third off -- banning it wouldn't accomplish anything except bringing more attention to the card. This isn't a card that sees tournament play. This is an old card so it's only legal in Legacy and Vintage, the formats that allow basically every card ever printed -- that's what it's competing against. It does not remotely meet the bar to show up in Legacy or Vintage tournaments. Banning it would not reduce its tournament appearances because it doesn't have any. It'd just draw attention to it because it'd have to, y'know, show up on banned lists. Better to just apologize and otherwise let it die in obscurity.
bikamonki 8y ago
Ban the card from legal play, remove it from their DB. Acknowledge the mistake. I am aware such actions could fire in the wrong direction.
- Sniffnoy 8y ago
  What, exactly, would any of this accomplish? Again: Removing the card from the DB wouldn't be changing anything, it'd just be lying about how things are. The card does, in fact, exist. Collectors trying to get a complete set of Legends will try to get their hands on it whether or not Wizards lists it; lying about the card's existence doesn't change that. And banning it is incompatible with that! You can't list as banned a card you don't list at all. But fundamentally, even if we ignore all that, de-listing or banning the card wouldn't accomplish anything. (This is not a card that actually sees tournament play; a ban would be purely symbolic, in addition to setting the bad precedent that cards can be banned for non-gameplay reasons.) Apologizing and acknowledging the mistake is good, obviously, but they clearly have done that when asked about it. I think Mark Rosewater took the right approach above: They can avoid repeating the mistakes of the past, but they can't undo them.
stnmtn 8y ago
Wow, you're right about the multiverse ID. That's a fucking bummer of a coincidence

mcv 8y ago

> What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? Plenty of cards have been banned from tournament play. There's no reason why this one can't. Maybe it already has?

Sniffnoy 8y ago
So, first off, this is something you can easily look up. No, it's not banned. Second off, I think banning a card for non-gameplay reasons sets a pretty bad precedent. Third off -- banning it wouldn't accomplish anything except bringing more attention to the card. This isn't a card that sees tournament play. This is an old card so it's only legal in Legacy and Vintage, the formats that allow basically every card ever printed -- that's what it's competing against. It does not remotely meet the bar to show up in Legacy or Vintage tournaments. Banning it would not reduce its tournament appearances because it doesn't have any. It'd just draw attention to it because it'd have to, y'know, show up on banned lists. Better to just apologize and otherwise let it die in obscurity.

bikamonki 8y ago

Ban the card from legal play, remove it from their DB. Acknowledge the mistake. I am aware such actions could fire in the wrong direction.

Sniffnoy 8y ago
What, exactly, would any of this accomplish? Again: Removing the card from the DB wouldn't be changing anything, it'd just be lying about how things are. The card does, in fact, exist. Collectors trying to get a complete set of Legends will try to get their hands on it whether or not Wizards lists it; lying about the card's existence doesn't change that. And banning it is incompatible with that! You can't list as banned a card you don't list at all. But fundamentally, even if we ignore all that, de-listing or banning the card wouldn't accomplish anything. (This is not a card that actually sees tournament play; a ban would be purely symbolic, in addition to setting the bad precedent that cards can be banned for non-gameplay reasons.) Apologizing and acknowledging the mistake is good, obviously, but they clearly have done that when asked about it. I think Mark Rosewater took the right approach above: They can avoid repeating the mistakes of the past, but they can't undo them.

stnmtn 8y ago

Wow, you're right about the multiverse ID. That's a fucking bummer of a coincidence