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In line with the spirit of the article, WotC needs acknowledge and amend this horrible mistake: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiversei

In line with the spirit of the article, WotC needs acknowledge and amend this horrible mistake: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1488 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiver... "Invoke Prejudice" Whenever an opponent casts a creature spell that doesn't share a color with a creature you control, counter that spell unless that player pays X, where X is its converted mana cost. Also note that the multiverse ID is 1488!!! This is no coincidence, not a dumb joke. These are hate symbols that can and should be removed from the game.

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nugga 8y ago
This game's thematics are about war, demons, magic, killing, slaughtering, enslaving, pestilence etc and a silly card from a decade+ ago is a problem? Don't manufacture outrage please.
- UncleMeat 8y ago
  While I agree that the card is largely unimportant and mostly seen as weird trivia, the art was created by a white nationalist and contains klan hoods. It is more tied to our real world than just the vague notion of racism.
- flashman 8y ago
  Is there a name for the logical fallacy of saying in-game murder is no worse than making references to real-world hate groups?
  - nugga 8y ago
    All the other references to seriously heinous and potentially more destructive things don't seem to bother not much anyone or at least can not be used to rile up controversy to the same degree as racist imagery or references. It seems to be ok to glorify killing or at least portray it in totally acceptable or neutral light but any reference to possible prejudice or separation or claims of inferiority of certain groups or species compared to others is a no go? In the light of america's past treatment of minorities starting from natives and then blacks and even discrimination of specific groups of whites it is perhaps understandable people are wary of it but try to see the situation objectively without any historical bias or taking sides and simply the first principles of what is portrayed or stated.
- bikamonki 8y ago
  I am not trying to manufacture anything. There is an obvious difference between: fantasy war game and reference to reality's past events. That is why you do not see a card called Gas Chamber: Choose a creature type, destroy all creatures of the chosen type, nor one named Crucifixion: destroy target god. As I said, in line with an article that highlights MTG's efforts to incorporate diversity into game design, Invoke Prejudice is a card that needs to be removed from the game.
Sniffnoy 8y ago
What exactly do you expect them to do? The card was, in fact, printed; do you expect them to just remove an existing card from their database or something? They can't, like, recall it or something. What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? If you just want an instance of a person from Wizards acknowledging that that art was not something they should have printed, here's an example: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-guys-ever-print-invoke-prejudice-wo-new http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-gu... (Also, although troubling, the multiverse ID clearly is a coincidence, as cards seem to just be numbered first by set and then by card number.)
- mcv 8y ago
  > What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? Plenty of cards have been banned from tournament play. There's no reason why this one can't. Maybe it already has?
  - Sniffnoy 8y ago
    So, first off, this is something you can easily look up. No, it's not banned. Second off, I think banning a card for non-gameplay reasons sets a pretty bad precedent. Third off -- banning it wouldn't accomplish anything except bringing more attention to the card. This isn't a card that sees tournament play. This is an old card so it's only legal in Legacy and Vintage, the formats that allow basically every card ever printed -- that's what it's competing against. It does not remotely meet the bar to show up in Legacy or Vintage tournaments. Banning it would not reduce its tournament appearances because it doesn't have any. It'd just draw attention to it because it'd have to, y'know, show up on banned lists. Better to just apologize and otherwise let it die in obscurity.
- bikamonki 8y ago
  Ban the card from legal play, remove it from their DB. Acknowledge the mistake. I am aware such actions could fire in the wrong direction.
  - Sniffnoy 8y ago
ValentineC 8y ago
For anyone else curious about what this whole subthread is about, I found this Reddit thread particularly enlightening: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1b3fie/so_this_exists_why_does_this_exist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1b3fie/so_this_ex...

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nugga 8y ago

This game's thematics are about war, demons, magic, killing, slaughtering, enslaving, pestilence etc and a silly card from a decade+ ago is a problem? Don't manufacture outrage please.

UncleMeat 8y ago
While I agree that the card is largely unimportant and mostly seen as weird trivia, the art was created by a white nationalist and contains klan hoods. It is more tied to our real world than just the vague notion of racism.
flashman 8y ago
Is there a name for the logical fallacy of saying in-game murder is no worse than making references to real-world hate groups?
- nugga 8y ago
  All the other references to seriously heinous and potentially more destructive things don't seem to bother not much anyone or at least can not be used to rile up controversy to the same degree as racist imagery or references. It seems to be ok to glorify killing or at least portray it in totally acceptable or neutral light but any reference to possible prejudice or separation or claims of inferiority of certain groups or species compared to others is a no go? In the light of america's past treatment of minorities starting from natives and then blacks and even discrimination of specific groups of whites it is perhaps understandable people are wary of it but try to see the situation objectively without any historical bias or taking sides and simply the first principles of what is portrayed or stated.
bikamonki 8y ago
I am not trying to manufacture anything. There is an obvious difference between: fantasy war game and reference to reality's past events. That is why you do not see a card called Gas Chamber: Choose a creature type, destroy all creatures of the chosen type, nor one named Crucifixion: destroy target god. As I said, in line with an article that highlights MTG's efforts to incorporate diversity into game design, Invoke Prejudice is a card that needs to be removed from the game.

Sniffnoy 8y ago

What exactly do you expect them to do? The card was, in fact, printed; do you expect them to just remove an existing card from their database or something? They can't, like, recall it or something. What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? If you just want an instance of a person from Wizards acknowledging that that art was not something they should have printed, here's an example: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-guys-ever-print-invoke-prejudice-wo-new http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/145475725553/would-u-gu... (Also, although troubling, the multiverse ID clearly is a coincidence, as cards seem to just be numbered first by set and then by card number.)

mcv 8y ago
> What, are they going to ban it from tournament play? Plenty of cards have been banned from tournament play. There's no reason why this one can't. Maybe it already has?
- Sniffnoy 8y ago
  So, first off, this is something you can easily look up. No, it's not banned. Second off, I think banning a card for non-gameplay reasons sets a pretty bad precedent. Third off -- banning it wouldn't accomplish anything except bringing more attention to the card. This isn't a card that sees tournament play. This is an old card so it's only legal in Legacy and Vintage, the formats that allow basically every card ever printed -- that's what it's competing against. It does not remotely meet the bar to show up in Legacy or Vintage tournaments. Banning it would not reduce its tournament appearances because it doesn't have any. It'd just draw attention to it because it'd have to, y'know, show up on banned lists. Better to just apologize and otherwise let it die in obscurity.
bikamonki 8y ago
Ban the card from legal play, remove it from their DB. Acknowledge the mistake. I am aware such actions could fire in the wrong direction.
- Sniffnoy 8y ago

ValentineC 8y ago

For anyone else curious about what this whole subthread is about, I found this Reddit thread particularly enlightening: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1b3fie/so_this_exists_why_does_this_exist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1b3fie/so_this_ex...