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You are misleading people not familiar with Russian legislation. There is no law saying you can ban random IP addresses.

azangru 8y ago
I am not familiar with the Russian legislation myself, to be honest. Are you saying that Roskomnadzor, the Russian governmental agency, actively broke the Russian law? Have there been any articles or legal discussions about it you could reference? Has anyone threatened to sue (I know it’s pointless in Russia, but still)?
- codedokode 8y ago
  Can you read Russian? Then here is the link: [1] A Russian company filed an action against Roskommnadzor demanding to compensate a loss of 5,000,000 RUB (~$75 000). The court dismissed it though. Here is another example: [2] [1] https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/news/2018/08/27/n_11956687.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/news/2018/08/27/n_11956687.shtml [2] https://www.rbc.ru/society/06/08/2018/5b6848b39a794769383b9ef0 https://www.rbc.ru/society/06/08/2018/5b6848b39a794769383b9e...
- codedokode 8y ago
  There is one more thing. When RosKomNadzor blocks an IP address, it states the reason for doing that. If you look at IP addresses of Telegram proxies, for example here [1] you'll see that the reason for blocking is not a court decision (which ordered to block Telegram). The stated reason is an order from Prosecutor's Office. But when the Russian company filed an action against RKN, the Prosecutor's Office representative said that they didin't order to block unrelated IP addresses; it was RKN's own decision [2] [3]. And this is not according to the law. Doing everything according to the law would be too slow. [1] https://reestr.rublacklist.net/rec/518267/ https://reestr.rublacklist.net/rec/518267/ [2] https://roskomsvoboda.org/40800/ https://roskomsvoboda.org/40800/ [3] https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2018/08/06/11885923/i_snova_pro_telegram.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2018/08/06/11885923/i_snova_pro_t...
- azangru 8y ago
  @codedokode Can't reply to your post with the links. They are interesting, and I am very curious about further developments — whether there will be more suits against Roskomnadzor for indiscriminate IP blocking. I found a site with the documents about the particular case that you referenced (articles in the news media are so superficial). There aren‘t yet materials available about the defendants’ legal position or about the justification of the judge’s decision, but I hope they will be uploaded soon enough: https://kad.arbitr.ru/Card/f268f6cc-0fa2-4d48-b325-5ae3b7a4d660 https://kad.arbitr.ru/Card/f268f6cc-0fa2-4d48-b325-5ae3b7a4d...

azangru 8y ago

I am not familiar with the Russian legislation myself, to be honest. Are you saying that Roskomnadzor, the Russian governmental agency, actively broke the Russian law? Have there been any articles or legal discussions about it you could reference? Has anyone threatened to sue (I know it’s pointless in Russia, but still)?

codedokode 8y ago
Can you read Russian? Then here is the link: [1] A Russian company filed an action against Roskommnadzor demanding to compensate a loss of 5,000,000 RUB (~$75 000). The court dismissed it though. Here is another example: [2] [1] https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/news/2018/08/27/n_11956687.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/news/2018/08/27/n_11956687.shtml [2] https://www.rbc.ru/society/06/08/2018/5b6848b39a794769383b9ef0 https://www.rbc.ru/society/06/08/2018/5b6848b39a794769383b9e...
codedokode 8y ago
There is one more thing. When RosKomNadzor blocks an IP address, it states the reason for doing that. If you look at IP addresses of Telegram proxies, for example here [1] you'll see that the reason for blocking is not a court decision (which ordered to block Telegram). The stated reason is an order from Prosecutor's Office. But when the Russian company filed an action against RKN, the Prosecutor's Office representative said that they didin't order to block unrelated IP addresses; it was RKN's own decision [2] [3]. And this is not according to the law. Doing everything according to the law would be too slow. [1] https://reestr.rublacklist.net/rec/518267/ https://reestr.rublacklist.net/rec/518267/ [2] https://roskomsvoboda.org/40800/ https://roskomsvoboda.org/40800/ [3] https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2018/08/06/11885923/i_snova_pro_telegram.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2018/08/06/11885923/i_snova_pro_t...
azangru 8y ago
@codedokode Can't reply to your post with the links. They are interesting, and I am very curious about further developments — whether there will be more suits against Roskomnadzor for indiscriminate IP blocking. I found a site with the documents about the particular case that you referenced (articles in the news media are so superficial). There aren‘t yet materials available about the defendants’ legal position or about the justification of the judge’s decision, but I hope they will be uploaded soon enough: https://kad.arbitr.ru/Card/f268f6cc-0fa2-4d48-b325-5ae3b7a4d660 https://kad.arbitr.ru/Card/f268f6cc-0fa2-4d48-b325-5ae3b7a4d...