> So much so that you cannot take a system running Debian and 'upgrade' (or downgrade, depending on your point of view) it to one running Ubuntu. That doesn't

> So much so that you cannot take a system running Debian and 'upgrade' (or downgrade, depending on your point of view) it to one running Ubuntu. That doesn't say much, as sometimes ubuntu and debian upgrades are far from smooth. As a long Debian & Ubuntu user, I believe you're exagerating the work invested by Ubuntu to custonize Debian. Betond the default desktop environment and attitude regarding proprietary drivers, the work done by Ubuntu is rather negligible.