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That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime mor

That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely.

azangru 8y ago
> That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. Stockholm syndrome is a feeling of affection towards your captor. I do not feel the slightest bit of affection towards our government. I despise them. But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  Your captor is constantly looking for excuses to escalate things. There is nothing you can do to keep things the way they are.
  - azangru 8y ago
    It is a matter of belief, I suppose :-) One can believe in the reality where the captor is constantly thinking of how to provoke the captive and then destroy him, or in the reality where the captor is minding his own business until he is provoked. The Russia of the first decade of the 2000s rather resembled this second reality. Whether the reality has switched to the first one, I am not sure.
    - zzzcpan 8y ago
      At this point it's not a belief, but a historical record. The whole thing started small with "protect the children" kind of bullshit. Then gradually and consistently escalated to gain more power.
- anonymfus 8y ago
  OK my word choice was wrong. >But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all. Only if there is an expectation that they will be released. If you are in the death camp then rebellion is your only actual chance. Because we have nuclear weapons no foreign government will interfere just to bring us democracy.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  So it's Battered Spouse Syndrome, then.
pixelperfect 8y ago
> I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely. Is there any chance of that happening? I am not Russian but my impression is that a large majority of Russians favor Putin and it's hard to imagine how he could be overthrown.
- ZoomZoomZoom 8y ago
  The chance is always there, probably not at this moment, though. Oh, an not on any grounds like censorship or privacy violation, these are not valued enough.
- miaklesp 8y ago
  They don't. They just don't have power to do anything about it.
- azangru 8y ago
  > I am not Russian but my impression is that a large majority of Russians favor Putin and it's hard to imagine how he could be overthrown. A massive peaceful protest that the leader is powerless to suppress and that forces him to step down is just one (and very happy) scenario of overthrowing a leader. This indeed is not very likely to happen. There always remains a military coup, however, which does not require a support of the population. But overthrowing a government is a scary business. Who is going to come in their stead? Will their be a power struggle? Will it turn violent? Will their be a civil war (a very real prospect in a country such as Russia, where the provinces have historically been exploited by the metropolis and strongly despise it). I am astonished people here talk so lightly of overthrowing Putin, as if he is the only villain and the only obstacle to the better future, and once he is removed from the scene everything is hunky-dory.
- noelsusman 8y ago
  Hard to say. Putin certainly thinks so. He's been paranoid of a US backed revolution for many years now, and probably for good reason since the US would definitely back anyone who opposes him. Accurate polling is hard for obvious reasons, but based on the independent polling I've seen, somewhere around a third of the population would be supportive of a new government.

That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely.

azangru 8y ago

> That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. Stockholm syndrome is a feeling of affection towards your captor. I do not feel the slightest bit of affection towards our government. I despise them. But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.

zzzcpan 8y ago
Your captor is constantly looking for excuses to escalate things. There is nothing you can do to keep things the way they are.
- azangru 8y ago
  It is a matter of belief, I suppose :-) One can believe in the reality where the captor is constantly thinking of how to provoke the captive and then destroy him, or in the reality where the captor is minding his own business until he is provoked. The Russia of the first decade of the 2000s rather resembled this second reality. Whether the reality has switched to the first one, I am not sure.
  - zzzcpan 8y ago
    At this point it's not a belief, but a historical record. The whole thing started small with "protect the children" kind of bullshit. Then gradually and consistently escalated to gain more power.
anonymfus 8y ago
OK my word choice was wrong. >But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all. Only if there is an expectation that they will be released. If you are in the death camp then rebellion is your only actual chance. Because we have nuclear weapons no foreign government will interfere just to bring us democracy.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
So it's Battered Spouse Syndrome, then.

pixelperfect 8y ago

> I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely. Is there any chance of that happening? I am not Russian but my impression is that a large majority of Russians favor Putin and it's hard to imagine how he could be overthrown.

ZoomZoomZoom 8y ago
The chance is always there, probably not at this moment, though. Oh, an not on any grounds like censorship or privacy violation, these are not valued enough.
miaklesp 8y ago
They don't. They just don't have power to do anything about it.
azangru 8y ago
> I am not Russian but my impression is that a large majority of Russians favor Putin and it's hard to imagine how he could be overthrown. A massive peaceful protest that the leader is powerless to suppress and that forces him to step down is just one (and very happy) scenario of overthrowing a leader. This indeed is not very likely to happen. There always remains a military coup, however, which does not require a support of the population. But overthrowing a government is a scary business. Who is going to come in their stead? Will their be a power struggle? Will it turn violent? Will their be a civil war (a very real prospect in a country such as Russia, where the provinces have historically been exploited by the metropolis and strongly despise it). I am astonished people here talk so lightly of overthrowing Putin, as if he is the only villain and the only obstacle to the better future, and once he is removed from the scene everything is hunky-dory.
noelsusman 8y ago
Hard to say. Putin certainly thinks so. He's been paranoid of a US backed revolution for many years now, and probably for good reason since the US would definitely back anyone who opposes him. Accurate polling is hard for obvious reasons, but based on the independent polling I've seen, somewhere around a third of the population would be supportive of a new government.