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Think of a scenario where certain government employees have accounts on some Private sector service: Maybe a Grindr or Tinder -- if they can work to obtain any

Think of a scenario where certain government employees have accounts on some Private sector service: Maybe a Grindr or Tinder -- if they can work to obtain any sort of compromising information from those services - they can then use it to manipulate government employees ("Do what I say, or i'll out you")... In fact, pretty sure a Chinese co. recently obtained controlling interest of Grindr. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-sells-stake-to-chinese-company.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-sells-s...

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> Maybe a Grindr Which is owned by a mainland Chinese firm [1]. [1] https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-china-beijing-kunlun-tech-deal/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-china-bei...
- throwawaymanbot 8y ago
  Everyone should patriotically sign up to Grindr now to muddy their results :P
nostromo 8y ago
We can inoculate ourselves to this threat by not caring about what politicians, government workers, and other people in general do in their private romantic lives.
- deleted 8y ago
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- x3n0ph3n3 8y ago
  Well, a think a spouse might justifiably care in the case of cheating.
  - jfaioif3 8y ago
    Now we will also get a few posts normalising cheating.
  - scottlegrand2 8y ago
    At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no?
    - jules 8y ago
      It is not karma if the country ends up paying, though.
    - 394549 8y ago
      > At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no? You misunderstand. No one cares about Alice's personal life, karma, or happiness. All they care about is manipulating Alice and what a manipulated Alice might do. Alice's desire to hide her cheating from her spouse could lead Bob's trade secrets to getting stolen. Bob did nothing wrong here to have his "cycle of karma closing the loop."
      - scottlegrand2 8y ago
        Never give Alice your passwords and always have a lock code on your cell phone. Anything else is a moral hazard in my opinion. Bob is complicit in this case IMO. If my spouse were to attempt to extract data from my work laptop she would run smack-dab into my password. If on the other hand Bob has extracted highly confidential data onto a freely available machine, then Bob is not only complicit, Bob is culpable. Don't be Bob. If we take this further and Bob's employer made it that easy to extract highly confidential data then they are their own worst enemy. For example, if a foolish Google employee attempts to stalk an ex-partners confidential data from within Google, they will be terminated and escorted out of the building within 60 minutes. Be like Google here.
        nyolfen 8y ago
        i read the example as alice being an employee of bob, not a spouse
- mistermann 8y ago
  I don't think the general public can.
- bilbo0s 8y ago
  Just the reverse. Because a target can be compromised by what they do in their private lives, we, (meaning our intelligence people), have to care about what they are doing in their private lives. I'd imagine that in the game of compromising targets, it doesn't really matter what the general public thinks of the target's behaviors or actions. The only thing that matters is that the target have a psychological profile consistent with wanting to keep their behavior or actions secret. As long as the target has the requisite characteristics with respect to ego, that target can probably be compromised if you can find something on them.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  "Do what I say or your wife finds out you're cheating on her" is still leverage even if the public doesn't care that you did it.
- GW150914 8y ago
  Even if I buy your idea that human nature can change that way (and I don’t) you only tackled the ‘C’ in MICE. How do you solve Money, Ideology and Ego?
Timmah 8y ago
Hopefully the agencies have already thought of this, but it would be pretty easy to set up a honeypot with a veteran TS or higher clearance employee and tell him to set up fake accounts and see who comes knocking.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> Maybe a Grindr Which is owned by a mainland Chinese firm [1]. [1] https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-china-beijing-kunlun-tech-deal/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/12/technology/grindr-china-bei...

throwawaymanbot 8y ago
Everyone should patriotically sign up to Grindr now to muddy their results :P

nostromo 8y ago

We can inoculate ourselves to this threat by not caring about what politicians, government workers, and other people in general do in their private romantic lives.

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x3n0ph3n3 8y ago
Well, a think a spouse might justifiably care in the case of cheating.
- jfaioif3 8y ago
  Now we will also get a few posts normalising cheating.
- scottlegrand2 8y ago
  At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no?
  - jules 8y ago
    It is not karma if the country ends up paying, though.
  - 394549 8y ago
    > At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no? You misunderstand. No one cares about Alice's personal life, karma, or happiness. All they care about is manipulating Alice and what a manipulated Alice might do. Alice's desire to hide her cheating from her spouse could lead Bob's trade secrets to getting stolen. Bob did nothing wrong here to have his "cycle of karma closing the loop."
    - scottlegrand2 8y ago
      Never give Alice your passwords and always have a lock code on your cell phone. Anything else is a moral hazard in my opinion. Bob is complicit in this case IMO. If my spouse were to attempt to extract data from my work laptop she would run smack-dab into my password. If on the other hand Bob has extracted highly confidential data onto a freely available machine, then Bob is not only complicit, Bob is culpable. Don't be Bob. If we take this further and Bob's employer made it that easy to extract highly confidential data then they are their own worst enemy. For example, if a foolish Google employee attempts to stalk an ex-partners confidential data from within Google, they will be terminated and escorted out of the building within 60 minutes. Be like Google here.
      - nyolfen 8y ago
        i read the example as alice being an employee of bob, not a spouse
mistermann 8y ago
I don't think the general public can.
bilbo0s 8y ago
Just the reverse. Because a target can be compromised by what they do in their private lives, we, (meaning our intelligence people), have to care about what they are doing in their private lives. I'd imagine that in the game of compromising targets, it doesn't really matter what the general public thinks of the target's behaviors or actions. The only thing that matters is that the target have a psychological profile consistent with wanting to keep their behavior or actions secret. As long as the target has the requisite characteristics with respect to ego, that target can probably be compromised if you can find something on them.
wlesieutre 8y ago
"Do what I say or your wife finds out you're cheating on her" is still leverage even if the public doesn't care that you did it.
GW150914 8y ago
Even if I buy your idea that human nature can change that way (and I don’t) you only tackled the ‘C’ in MICE. How do you solve Money, Ideology and Ego?

Timmah 8y ago

Hopefully the agencies have already thought of this, but it would be pretty easy to set up a honeypot with a veteran TS or higher clearance employee and tell him to set up fake accounts and see who comes knocking.