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In the end does it matter though? I mean, if it had a proven benefit for kids, schools could start at different hours depending on the seasons. Companies can

by hrktb 8y ago

In the end does it matter though? I mean, if it had a proven benefit for kids, schools could start at different hours depending on the seasons. Companies can decide to start at 10 or 8 instead of 9, etc. More light in the evening doesn’t seem to make sense to me as we are the ones deciding when is “evening”

dtech 8y ago
Apparently it's easier for our collective society to agree that what was 9:00 yesterday is now 10:00, rather than allowing companies to start at 10:00 instead of 9:00. I fully agree with you, but in many people do not agree with your argument. Interestingly in my experience whether people agree with this is different depending on whether that person has a STEM/non-STEM study or job, STEM people tend to agree.
masklinn 8y ago
> In the end does it matter though? Yes. > More light in the evening doesn’t seem to make sense to me as we are the ones deciding when is “evening” Western society has pretty much embedded the idea that the day is centered around 16:00 (4PM) and "night" around 03:00~04:00. Lights out being when the vast majority of people are asleep with no light when they're actually up is stupid.
- leereeves 8y ago
  > Western society has pretty much embedded the idea that the day is centered around 16:00 (4PM) and "night" around 03:00~04:00. Where I'm from, 4PM is late in the day, just a few hours from bedtime, and 4AM is nearly time to wake up.
  - pmontra 8y ago
    You're ok. There are at least 4 or 5 hours in difference between dinner time in western societies. From 6 PM in some Anglosaxon countries to 8/10 PM in Italy (North / South) to 10/11 in Spain.
    - leereeves 8y ago
      Dinner is at 10pm in Spain, and 11pm in the summer? Interesting.
      - pmontra 8y ago
        You might find this article interesting http://spanishsabores.com/2015/06/17/spain-dining-guide-when-are-spanish-mealtimes/ http://spanishsabores.com/2015/06/17/spain-dining-guide-when... But remember that they are in the wrong time zone, so they always get one extra hour of light in the evening and one less in morning. This could account for the one hour of difference with comparable latitudes in Italy.
aninhumer 8y ago
Humans have a sleep cycle driven by circadian rhythms, and most jobs in a country work similar clock hours in order to coordinate with other companies more easily. So in fact, it's much easier to change what the clocks say than it is to change either of these.
VLM 8y ago
Serious question: In other parts of the country or world, do "companies" all open at the same time? They certainly do not, anywhere I've ever lived. If that is the case, that must be an interesting lifestyle. How does anyone get anything done if there's never a non-overlapping interval of "the bank is open but my employer is closed" type of problem? I've also lived almost all my life in a "recreational paradise" state far from the coasts where its totally normal for there to be at least one, often many, "in-season" work hours vs "out-season" work hour thru the year. Much like agonizing over average temperatures is heard but isn't an issue, its not a problem for the millions who live around here.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  Yes they do. Plus nothing is open on Sundays. You get to work a bit later, or duck out for a bit to go to the bank, or go while you're doing outside work anyway.
- hrktb 8y ago
  In my experience smaller companies tend to adjust to the rhythm of their biggest clients. If one of the behemoth decides to start working at 11am -> 9pm, a lot of contractors and related services will move to the same time tables.
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  > How does anyone get anything done if there's never a non-overlapping interval of "the bank is open but my employer is closed" type of problem? This is a fairly big problem in modern life, as far as I can see. Traditionally, I assume what happened was that you worked at your employer, and your wife went to the bank.

by hrktb 8y ago

dtech 8y ago

Apparently it's easier for our collective society to agree that what was 9:00 yesterday is now 10:00, rather than allowing companies to start at 10:00 instead of 9:00. I fully agree with you, but in many people do not agree with your argument. Interestingly in my experience whether people agree with this is different depending on whether that person has a STEM/non-STEM study or job, STEM people tend to agree.

masklinn 8y ago

> In the end does it matter though? Yes. > More light in the evening doesn’t seem to make sense to me as we are the ones deciding when is “evening” Western society has pretty much embedded the idea that the day is centered around 16:00 (4PM) and "night" around 03:00~04:00. Lights out being when the vast majority of people are asleep with no light when they're actually up is stupid.

leereeves 8y ago
> Western society has pretty much embedded the idea that the day is centered around 16:00 (4PM) and "night" around 03:00~04:00. Where I'm from, 4PM is late in the day, just a few hours from bedtime, and 4AM is nearly time to wake up.
- pmontra 8y ago
  You're ok. There are at least 4 or 5 hours in difference between dinner time in western societies. From 6 PM in some Anglosaxon countries to 8/10 PM in Italy (North / South) to 10/11 in Spain.
  - leereeves 8y ago
    Dinner is at 10pm in Spain, and 11pm in the summer? Interesting.
    - pmontra 8y ago
      You might find this article interesting http://spanishsabores.com/2015/06/17/spain-dining-guide-when-are-spanish-mealtimes/ http://spanishsabores.com/2015/06/17/spain-dining-guide-when... But remember that they are in the wrong time zone, so they always get one extra hour of light in the evening and one less in morning. This could account for the one hour of difference with comparable latitudes in Italy.

aninhumer 8y ago

Humans have a sleep cycle driven by circadian rhythms, and most jobs in a country work similar clock hours in order to coordinate with other companies more easily. So in fact, it's much easier to change what the clocks say than it is to change either of these.

VLM 8y ago

Serious question: In other parts of the country or world, do "companies" all open at the same time? They certainly do not, anywhere I've ever lived. If that is the case, that must be an interesting lifestyle. How does anyone get anything done if there's never a non-overlapping interval of "the bank is open but my employer is closed" type of problem? I've also lived almost all my life in a "recreational paradise" state far from the coasts where its totally normal for there to be at least one, often many, "in-season" work hours vs "out-season" work hour thru the year. Much like agonizing over average temperatures is heard but isn't an issue, its not a problem for the millions who live around here.

StavrosK 8y ago
Yes they do. Plus nothing is open on Sundays. You get to work a bit later, or duck out for a bit to go to the bank, or go while you're doing outside work anyway.
hrktb 8y ago
In my experience smaller companies tend to adjust to the rhythm of their biggest clients. If one of the behemoth decides to start working at 11am -> 9pm, a lot of contractors and related services will move to the same time tables.
thaumasiotes 8y ago
> How does anyone get anything done if there's never a non-overlapping interval of "the bank is open but my employer is closed" type of problem? This is a fairly big problem in modern life, as far as I can see. Traditionally, I assume what happened was that you worked at your employer, and your wife went to the bank.