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You've got absolutely a point. But, if you really use Ubuntu for making money, consider an Ubuntu Advantage subscription, that should let Canonical prioritize y

You've got absolutely a point. But, if you really use Ubuntu for making money, consider an Ubuntu Advantage subscription, that should let Canonical prioritize your tickets.

analognoise 8y ago
Oddly enough, as I'd never heard of that, I looked at it - it isn't for individuals. FYI, in case anyone else was interested.
- simion314 8y ago
  Support for individual desktop users sounds interesting but I see big problems that makes this very expensive, 1 the hardware, this support program could work only for certified hardware and using certified drivers, no latest nvidia driver beta(I got kernel crashes because of video drivers both on Linux and Windows and the blame would be on the driver vendor) 2 Some users are stupid, if you ever did customer support you will know (in one case a person complained our application was missing a button, in the end I use TeamView to see the weird issue and guess what, the user dragged the window down so the button was offscreen, this is maybe a Window Manager but , it was on Windows or Mac I do not remember) my point is your customer support team will waste a lot of time so the support program can be expensive.
  - hegz 8y ago
    This wouldn't be an issue if support charged for the amount of time spent. If the user spends their money getting stupid non issues looked at then thats their issue.
    - simion314 8y ago
      Does this work? IS anybody using it? I feel like people would complain it took say 20 developers hours to fix some trivial bug where in fact that specific bug was not that trivial to fix. Then the situation is complicated since you don't control the upstream and if I fix a bug in upstream software X I may have to spend more hours convincing the maintainer that the fix should be included, sometimes the meinteiner has different ideas on how it should be done, Now imagine the bug "There is no system ray anymore, I can't see my Slack,Skype,Dropbox icons there and I want them back. You can't fix this without forking GNOME and you get a new holly war with the GNOME camp (Canonical does not care about desktop anymore anyway this was just an example)
  - hsivonen 8y ago
    I paid Canonical for single-seat support for a while years ago. It was useless. The main problem isn't either of the above. It's that there's no way the annual single-seat price can pay for the time of a competent person investigating even a single incident. The economics have a chance of working out if an org with a large number of seats pays for support before they have a concrete problem and when they do, the the number of incidents they file don't scale with the number of seats.
- fgheorghe 8y ago
  Funny how suddendly commercial software makes sense
  - analognoise 8y ago
    Oh believe me, I think FOSS software is garbage in almost every case. There are a few shining counterexamples, but for the most part apparently paying people a living wage to do things makes for generally better stuff. Who knew, right?

You've got absolutely a point. But, if you really use Ubuntu for making money, consider an Ubuntu Advantage subscription, that should let Canonical prioritize your tickets.

analognoise 8y ago

Oddly enough, as I'd never heard of that, I looked at it - it isn't for individuals. FYI, in case anyone else was interested.

simion314 8y ago
Support for individual desktop users sounds interesting but I see big problems that makes this very expensive, 1 the hardware, this support program could work only for certified hardware and using certified drivers, no latest nvidia driver beta(I got kernel crashes because of video drivers both on Linux and Windows and the blame would be on the driver vendor) 2 Some users are stupid, if you ever did customer support you will know (in one case a person complained our application was missing a button, in the end I use TeamView to see the weird issue and guess what, the user dragged the window down so the button was offscreen, this is maybe a Window Manager but , it was on Windows or Mac I do not remember) my point is your customer support team will waste a lot of time so the support program can be expensive.
- hegz 8y ago
  This wouldn't be an issue if support charged for the amount of time spent. If the user spends their money getting stupid non issues looked at then thats their issue.
  - simion314 8y ago
    Does this work? IS anybody using it? I feel like people would complain it took say 20 developers hours to fix some trivial bug where in fact that specific bug was not that trivial to fix. Then the situation is complicated since you don't control the upstream and if I fix a bug in upstream software X I may have to spend more hours convincing the maintainer that the fix should be included, sometimes the meinteiner has different ideas on how it should be done, Now imagine the bug "There is no system ray anymore, I can't see my Slack,Skype,Dropbox icons there and I want them back. You can't fix this without forking GNOME and you get a new holly war with the GNOME camp (Canonical does not care about desktop anymore anyway this was just an example)
- hsivonen 8y ago
  I paid Canonical for single-seat support for a while years ago. It was useless. The main problem isn't either of the above. It's that there's no way the annual single-seat price can pay for the time of a competent person investigating even a single incident. The economics have a chance of working out if an org with a large number of seats pays for support before they have a concrete problem and when they do, the the number of incidents they file don't scale with the number of seats.
fgheorghe 8y ago
Funny how suddendly commercial software makes sense
- analognoise 8y ago
  Oh believe me, I think FOSS software is garbage in almost every case. There are a few shining counterexamples, but for the most part apparently paying people a living wage to do things makes for generally better stuff. Who knew, right?